Gay/trans false equivalence

I'm exclusively sexually attracted to other females with female biology.

Just to clarify too: that female with female biology can be performing any social role and appearance she likes without being any less hot. Seriously.

Those countries mentioned all appear to me to be particularly religious countries. I wish religion didn't exist for its sheer existence seems to be to oppress women.

As far as I'm concerned, sex and gender mean the same thing and are essentially social roles

Er, I'm lesbian. I am not sexually attracted to someone of either sex performing stereotypes of social roles - I don't get turned on by males loading washing machines or being feminine. I'm exclusively sexually attracted to other females with female biology.

The right to be able to say this in public without losing my job, without being socially excluded, without having lesser legal rights than someone heterosexual, is pretty recent.

Now we have the political TRA agenda trying to undo this.

It appears from what you're saying that my 'privilege' of choosing sexual partners based on female biology is something I should be willing to give up (for the betterment of males, let's face it, there's nothing in this for me at all) and I'll presume you, like Rachel McKinnon and other TRA speakers, would like me to 'learn to cope' with sex with males who personally identify themselves as lesbian.

Which is shocking in its medievalism and sexism, because it implies that as a female I have no business seeking to enjoy sex or have a right of choice in it, but some kind of birth based duty to service males for their sexual needs and enjoyment. Which you'd have to be downright male supremacist not to see the huge, great, enormous issues with. Can you really not see this?

I just believe in equality for all

Which is why women need their spaces and their sex based rights.

I just believe in equality for all.

Strictly we give the same privileges to each sex. Males use the male version and females use the female version. So no women don't get extra. Ok, Men get extra in terms of male default.

Loved the ramps idea!

Lesbians are same sex attracted.
As are gay men.

Its called SEXuality not GENDERality

^^This. And then transwomen lament why "vulva-having" lesbians are not attracted to them in the slightest. There. Is. A reason. Your religion can be whatever you want about your self, but if I like a vagina, a penis repulses me, no matter what you believe yourself to be. I cannot change to fit anyone's narrative.

That's awful BahHum. Ireland wasn't too humanitarian either on the abortion front until the death of Savita Hallapanaver and the subsequent referendum.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53436335

Here women can't even use their name.

"El Salvador: Where women may be jailed for miscarrying"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24532694

Nomon, yes, what motivation could the trans visitor here who think women's rights are unnecessary privileges possibly have for wanting access to those rights? Total mystery.

Women in central America are charged with murder for miscarrying...

That's interesting - anything I can read on that?

Most women's rights are intrinsically on the basis of biology... are you saying these shouldn't exist... maternity anti-discrimination laws, rights to abortion/reproductive autonomy, contraception, breast feeding policies in the workplace, fertility treatment access, right to see a medical practitioner/counsellor/care assistant etc of the same sex, sex specific cancer treatment and fundraising?

If "the patriarchy"/authoritarian govt took gender based aspects of my life away... hairstyles, make up, clothing etc... well, I'd be slightly miffed, but I wouldn't miss them much. Meh, I hardly wear make up anyway, I'd be glad of the practical clothes with more pockets etc.

Take my sex based rights away however, and they directly control my body, which has direct consequences on the destiny my lifepath can take. It thus becomes not freely chosen, as I have to navigate around the risks of pregnancy.

I moved to Northern Ireland and I was shocked to discover abortion was outlawed there as well as in the south. I became even more angered and flabbergasted that it wouldn't even be allowed under the circumstance of rape. Profound visceral and psychological sex-based consequences of being female. Women in central America are charged with murder for miscarrying... that happens because of their sex, not their gender identity.

Why are you so keen to get into women's spaces, MiladyRenata?

And why do you think lesbians want to have anything to do with male bodies? That comes unpleasantly close to the concept of gay conversion therapy as touted by a certain cyclist who said that lesbians just needed to learn to cope with penises.

Second question, what motivation do you perceive mtf trans have to join a sex which is frequently discriminated against? And moreover, what motivation have they to overcome the abhorrent phobia of transwomen?

We now know if left alone many teenage trans/binary types grown up to be gay adults.
Interested to hear more on this. Would they have actually been gay, or would they still have felt they were the opposite sex to those to whom they were attracted? Are there studies/reports on this?

Interesting idea about not getting additional rights because of biology. Best take ramps away from public buildings then.

They are only too eager to let you know what they think. Wow.

Yep

All these privileges we finally got. The right to vote, own property, not be raped by our husbands, not be discriminated against at work whilst gestating the next generation, safe sex segregated toilets so we can participate fully in society. It’s scandalous!

Sarah, you're not wrong, but people do seem to need to be walked through that one.

To have some come right out and say women really shouldn't have specific and relevant rights is such a gift I think I might take the rest of the week off and get drunk.

I am genuinely stifling laughter here. I've said it before, you just have to let TRAs speak. They are only too eager to let you know what they think. Wow

I think trying to appropriate lesbianism says all we need to know about how males hate not being centred in everything

I am genuinely stifling laughter here. I've said it before, you just have to let TRAs speak. They are only too eager to let you know what they think. Wow.

And no, I don't think anyone should be given additional "rights" just because of their biology.

What like the right to occupy a category in sport that doesn’t have them competing against people with massive physiological advantages based on their biological sex? That sort of right?