Gay/trans false equivalence

That was THE best day

Emilia obviously just wants to fuck with women. And I really wonder how many so called transwomen have the same agenda

Well many swimmung pools and gyms etx have done away with women only sessions. Nothing stopped men calling up and requesting that there were men only sessioms. However whenever mej however there gender presentation were refused access to the women only sessioms , they called up and got them shut down.

Same thing in vancover with rape crisis centres. Activists could have campaigned and fundraised with full support for specialist services. Like women did. I mean the first "shelters" were just womens' houses

Absolutely none of it is anything to do wjth improving things fir trans people or Frankly they would have kept quiet and carried on with women turning a blind eye to less than 5000 people occasionally using a facility.

Instead they included everyone under the trans umbrella to render sex segregation as problematic as possible so we do away with it completely.

Ita all about removing from.women and creating permanent victim status because lets face it there's no heakthcare provider that could keep up with this.

None of it helps trans people

It benefits males. Every time.

And then there’s this person. Quite clearly an MRA who doesn’t like the idea of women having so called ‘privileges’. Though in this case the rule has always been one man one woman - so you couldn’t even say it discriminated against men.

Emilia obviously just wants to fuck with women. And I really wonder how many so called transwomen have the same agenda?

All those woke men and lib fems defending and applauding them are going to look pretty bloody stupid when they grow up realise what’s actually going on here.

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withgraceinmyheart, that’s an excellent point about women losing out. Have you heard of Pips Bunce?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6197705/City-workers-hit-gender-fluid-banker-works-days-Philip-Pippa.html

Milady thanks for answering my questions. It's helpful to understand what rights and privileges you're thinking of.

Can I ask why you specifically object to women's short lists or board quotas? Do you have any examples of situations or industries which men or trans men and women are struggling to access, and where having a specific advantage for women is a problem?

I'm interested, because I recently saw a church that was proud to be inclusive, saying on its website that it's preachers were '50% male and 50% women/non-binary folks'. It didn't seem very fair to me, because that could easily mean that none of their preachers are women.

I can imagine trans person would feel the same if there was a list for men and a list for women, but nothing for trans men, trans women etc. So I do empathise.

That's the reason that I, along with a lot of people in this forum, would join in advocating for a 'third space'. This is often used to describe toilets etc, but I think it could also apply to the issues you describe.

How would you feel about that? Would it solve the problem to have situations/posts/shortlists that are only available to transwomen, and then some that are only available to women? If not, would you mind explaining why?

Thanks.

Trying to follow the logic of this is making me think about cutted up pear.

Men have always tried to get lesbians - women attracted to their own biological sex - to see them as viable partners.

It’s just that now they’re using a new tactic.

Person born as a man is blind to Male privilege and why action has been needed to ensure women have equality of opportunity- colour me shocked

The “privileges” you mention are actually positive action relating to objective justification in the equalities act.

Oh, how interesting. The thread had been referencing women's rights. No one has mentioned AWS or sex based quotas until Milad did.

So, just so we're not talking at cross purposes, Milad, you do think that women are entitled to rights based on the particular issues around their biology? Wouldn't want to misrepresent you, because I am going to keep bringing it up otherwise.

Privileges = for some (all women shortlists, quotas for women on boards etc)

Because societal sexism means that without these men are massively over represented.

Stop being sexist and we won't need them. And all women short lists don't seem to bother anyone when transwomen make them. Thats just another " if I can't have it no one can" toddler tantrum

If you have no idea why sex based rights need to be specifically defined to create equality you would benefit from educating yourself.

Your circular arguments are even confusing you

See how hard it is when you aren't allowed to deal in actual facts.

OK well I’ll make myself clear. If you, as a lesbian are not attracted to, or interested in a relationship with, transgender women, this does not make you transphobic. Argue against a phantom who believes it does by all means, but it is unhelpful to equate that phantom with me or trans women in general.

Rachel McKinnon, the medal winning TW athlete, is a phantom?

And Stonewall's a phantom too?

Rights = for everyone (not being discriminated against, voting, owning property, bodily integrity etc.)

Privileges = for some (all women shortlists, quotas for women on boards etc)

Not rocket science.

For at least the 3rd time.

Argue against a phantom who believes it does by all means, but it is unhelpful to equate that phantom with me or trans women in general.

Earlier you said sex and gender are the same and a social role. And that someone who transitions changes their sexual orientation.

And the LAW, in the form of the GRA allows you to change your legal SEX.

And we all know that this creates a legal fiction and does not change actual biological sex, and therefore has no bearing on sexual orientation.

Your circular arguments are even confusing you.

Not special treatment. Just adaptations that allow them to participate in life. Thats ok with you right?

I really feel we shouldn't lose sight of Milad 's stated opinion that women's rights are, in fact, privileges, and that we shouldn't really have them. I feel we would be remiss not to keep that at the forefront of our minds as the discussion continues. It does rather colour everything.

Basedrops. Just to be clear on this, you’re comparing women with the disabled and the very old/young as examples of people who need special treatment in law? And you’re the feminist here, right?

And it also allows for exceptions even when there is a grc.

And the LAW, in the form of the GRA allows you to change your legal SEX.