Update on my case, and on exactly how much Girlguiding is spending of their money

At the end of the day, Girl Guides is meant to be single sex, it’s currently not.....have they told their trustees, insurance companies etc? This is a fiasco waiting to blow up, they know it & are being belligerently dishonest

To be absolutely fair honey I’m either here nor there with regards to the case, I’ve said it before but let’s not tear GG down when it’s a policy OP is challenging, not GG as a whole.

I don't mind GGUK spending subs on world centers. They are an asset which benefit girls. I've been to many of them and gained a lot from the experience. I don't even mind subs and census being used to defend legal cases such a compensation for accident and injury. I do object to funds being used to pay "excessive" and unnecessary fees.

It's just, you've gone from an emphatic "it doesn't come from subs!" to "look, no-one really knows but let's not start rumours".

Subs are also spent on sites owned and supported by GG - can you even begin to imagine the struggle the are having right now to even stay open? People won’t be travelling there anytime soon. Staff will lose their jobs.

They don’t need this kind of message.

Frankly I'd rather it was from subs than some lobby group, which I hope is not the case.

Message from MNHQ: We've temporarily closed this thread as there are a few things we need to discuss at HQ. We will update as soon as we can - please bear with us

[quote KatieAlcock]@RufustheRowlingReindeer is this a policy that we can't have two threads on the same subject?[/quote]
They said they were discussing something at head office and would get back to us

There doesn’t seem to be a set policy on how many threads

Thank you Katie for doing this. As a leader, I love working with the girls and my wonderful fellow leaders, but head office often feels widely out of synch with reality and I do often question whether I want to work with such an establishment, but my own girls have got so much out of guiding. I just try to focus on the girls and try to block out the other stuff.

Listen I admire the OP taking a stand in what she believes in.

But without fully knowing information (because at the end of the day only those at the top do) it seems unfair to spread such what is essentially a rumour. Start a case to protect girls, brilliant - but don’t destroy what they have either.

IsAnybodyListening, I hear you loud and clear. Heartbroken for the little girl you were. You are right; this is absolutely the crux of it. Girls and women NEED our spaces, and anyone asking us to give them up is not “being kind.”

Katie, you are a . Will seek out the way to help.

https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/running-your-unit/finance-insurance-and-property/subscriptions/how-we-use-the-annual-subscription/

saxa how else do girlguiding get their money. We have a annual census and every volunteer and girl is asked to pay a yearly subscription to GGUK.
On their website It clearly says they use it for legal purposes including 'support to make or deal with complaints'. Therefore I'm fairly sure the money my girls give to GGUK is being used for this.
They are a charity, where else would the money come from?

Thats awful mind 💐

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Thanks Katie, should it be needed I will dig again. I've mentioned this before, I was molested on Guide camp by the husband of a leader. He was involved in a range of youth organisations. Girl Guides can't investigate because I can't give his first name or other details. I've given them the guide pack, the dates etc, but in the past we didn't use first names for our leaders.

You're amazing Katie. Thank you for having the courage to to do this - for all of us 💐

From a fellow traveller on the important feminist court challenge road, my solidarity to you. It's a very difficult kind of stress to manage and I do not underestimate the strength you need to stand. At least we have anonymity, you are standing openly with your name out there.

I think there is a crowd justice page-not sure if we're allowed to link to raising pages but Google should find it quickly.

Thank you Katie for doing this. Sincerely.

From a different, but also unfortunate honest perspective. Going to these groups was a life-line to me as a child. I was abused by a family friend, and fearful of male figures. I never told. One of the only times I felt 'OK' was the Thursday meetings. Wearing my uniform, feeling like I belonged. I still to this day (I'm 38 now) remember getting a badge one evening, and having a chip shop dinner at the club. And I felt safe, even though my home life wasn't. I know if boys had been there. I would not have gone back at the time. I was a child and felt vulnerable.

And this is the crux now isn't it? A saddening reality that little girls need a safe place that is theirs to be fought for in court. The majority won't need a safe place in the same way I did. But some will.

It might not come directly from subs. But it comes from somewhere. Someone raised the funds at some point. Or it was donated. For the good of girl guiding.

I don't imagine this was how those who raised or donated the money expected it to be spent.

Or is there some hitherto unknown or untapped source of money held by the charitable body that is girl guides 33Saxa?

Was gguk for nearly 20 yrs. Now active in my adopted country. I really hope you win this.

katiealcock well done, sounds positive for you-do you need more money right now, or does it depend on Mayas case?

Going to court when the stakes are high & outcomes unproven is incredibly stressful-well done you for continuing with this. Is shocking GG are willing to spend so much money, to try and silence someone raising valid concerns about safeguarding young girls.