"We must not fetishise debate"

Think-shaming might be an apt term.

Excellent. It's notable that she might have used 'idolize' which would have made her brain dead point too, but she chose the word fetishize. I'd say that was fairly revealing in itself in terms of the stable of ideas her ridiculous rhetoric comes from.

She's oppression shaming. She is telling women that they must not react to their own oppression, because that's hatred.

Ugh.

It seems to me as though she has swallowed a whole load of bullshit, and regurgitated it with her own weird spin, making it sound more insane than it did in the first place.

She means being irrationally committed to debate or that our desire to debate is somehow overblown.

The idea that the violent censorship of women is neutral, and women's democratic right to debate laws that affect them, isn't, is astonishing.

Particularly in light of the bloody government telling people to do so.

Think-shaming might be an apt term.

So what she's saying is: gender ideology trumps women's rights - no debate.

What a misogynistic disgrace she is.

Every single person arguing with her in parliament will now start with

"While I understand that the honourable member for Nottingham East does not like to 'fetishise debate', I must point out that..."

I didn't realise she was only 24, that's simultaneously impressive and disturbing. You'd think someone would have to be quite exceptionally bright or talented to get elected an MP at age 24. I'm not sure what her abilities are - but it's rather ominous that they don't include understanding why free speech and open debate are an important part of making laws in a democracy.

Well, I think that is what she means but with everything else she has said I'm not sure she does a whole lot of thinking on her own.

The idea of irrational commitment to debate in a democracy (by which she was elected) - sheer folly and madness, we should all just do as we are told.

I am extremely frustrated with a politician telling us there shouldn't be a debate on proposed legislation, she clearly doesn't understand what democracy is and as such she shouldn't be representing anyone in Parliament. As for her repeating the quote of a UK drag race contestant - belief/ reality - belief = born in the wrong body, reality = biology. I don't think she does a lot of heavy thinking sadly. She really is in the wrong job.

If Keir Starmer wants people to see Labour as a party advocating for a totalitarian state he should keep MPs like her in his party.

Changing the world can never be down be saying magic wand and making oppression go away, it cannot be achieved by changing one mind at a time and the only way to do that is through free and open debate.

Apart from anything else #nodebate works both ways, and if Nadia Whittome removed herself from twitter she might notice that we currently have a Conservative government and the only way for her to express her views on this issue as part of the democratic process is through debate.

No other civil rights campaign has ever the slogan 'no debate'. I remember growing up at a time when gay people were ridiculed and abused, even people.suspected of being gay, the chance to actually debate the issues, get the abusers to state exactly why they thought they were superior would have been welcomed in open arms. The chance to explain that personal sexuality was not threat to anyone else would have been infinitely preferable to dear ears and mindless taunts. I am sure countless other groups would thought the same. Changing the world can never be down be saying magic wand and making oppression go away, it cannot be achieved by changing one mind at a time and the only way to do that is through free and open debate.

Does she even realise what she sounds like?

And up pops Natacha Kennedy to tag in Terfblocker

My favourite replies to her. We all know why TRAs don't want a debate.

Labour then.

Christ, Corgi. Hard to read shit like that and maintain a level response. Not our crimes.

Don't you just love getting history lessons about things you remember from someone who was not there?

She should check her history books again, look at other people who believed in #nodebate.

The government sent out a public consultation on this issue and invited the entire country to debate it.

That same government is just about to deliver their verdict.

It doesn't take a genius to work out why the concept of debate must be vilified when it's not going to turn out in your favour.

I've read that tweet several times and I'm struggling to get my head around it.

The rabid, frothing, violent and often illegal censorship of women is fine? Because the opposite is hate??

So will there be no more parliamentary debates?

I mean, all this crap about "Oh, so you think equal rights for lesbian and gay people needs to be debated, do you?"

Well, plenty of people do still debate it, and I'm fully equipped to make the strong case that equal rights are a good thing. Who do you think benefits when I don't make that case? Fucking idiocy.

From Amrou Al-Khadi:

Thank you Nadia! I wonder if @trussliz realises just how much heartache & anxiety she’s caused the trans community this past few months. We don’t just need a guarantee our rights won’t be rolled back - but assurances that they will be advanced, and to be offered more protections.

Reply from Nadia Whittome MP:

Yes! Defend and extend. Solidarity mate x

There we have it, proof positive that the endgame is for trans people, particularly mtf to have MORE rights than anyone else, making them a sacred caste and what does history, and the very sorely missed LangCleg, have to say and have proof of in respect of deeming one particular demographic, profession or person untouchable?

and these are the law makers, it beggars belief that this is the state of politics and parliament in 2020.