"We must not fetishise debate"

less a fundamental misunderstanding that could be corrected than sheer incapability of understanding

Yes, that is the weird and scary thing.......and to add to that an unwillingness to look critically too.

It is so much a creed, & it functions in just the same way. Follow your heart and your faith, the head and thinking just gets in the way.

I didn't realise she was only 24, that's simultaneously impressive and disturbing. You'd think someone would have to be quite exceptionally bright or talented to get elected an MP at age 24

Very young Momentum candidates have been put into position as councillors in many local town halls too.

Wholly agree Mariel

I suspect too that since she must have the tweets on her own timeline pointing out to her the issues with what she is doing and the information that she is missing, and she still has nothing to say but the liturgy, that it is a case similar to the one the Green Party inquiry faced: less a fundamental misunderstanding that could be corrected than sheer incapability of understanding.

She needs to be replaced by someone with a grip on what 'parliament' means and the capacity to fulfil the responsibilities of the post.

Any MP with these views about [non-]debate has fundamentally understood the function of an MP and is unfit to hold that office.

She is a) spectacularly dim and b) 100% committed to the neo-religion.

Doubling down on her foolishness is not only not surprising, it's part of her belief system, meant to show her fealty to the cause. At the moment that might be because she is enjoying a lot of love bombing from her co-religionists, but in the back of her mind she will be well aware of what happens to recanters and heretics. I doubt she is self aware enough to acknowledge that yet, so I think she's very much riding a wave of personal enthusiasm at being able to be a vocal warrior for the cause.

She is very very woke. Her framework is still that of college students. And she has no understanding how biased the data is she presents and what it is based on.

Think-shaming

I love this. Maybe I should start using it to shut down debate with people who disagree with me, ' Are you think-shaming me?'

Well, that was a waste of time. She makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. She started talking about women not being able to buy houses until the 70s. How the hell does she think the law was ever changed around equal rights - by osmosis?

Then the Apostle’s Creed came out:

• trans people commit suicide
• trans people more at risk of domestic violence
• trans people experience hate crime

Urgh.

She’s on Sky News now.

You dont disagree derigeur, that's exactly what I think!

I do think some work experience in the real world should be a pre- requisite for MPs. I’ve known a number of ‘career politicians’ who hone their talking skills through the Student Union and up through party political ranks who just haven’t developed the listening and critical thinking skills that will make them actually effective at representing their constituents. This country needs an effective opposition (I vote conservative- I know it’s unfashionable but I find their aim of empowering individuals more attractive than the increasingly totalitarian left - Animal Farm should not be viewed as an instruction manual for politicians.

Christ on a bike, Labour are truly making themselves unelectable aren't they? I mean this is beyond bonkers.

I didn't realise she was only 24, that's simultaneously impressive and disturbing. You'd think someone would have to be quite exceptionally bright or talented to get elected an MP at age 24.

Being privately educated and well connected got her an internship with an MP. After she failed her law degree Momentum were looking for ideological purity over ability and her family have a long pedigree of champaigne communism, so she landed a plum seat.

She seems to believe and act on the principles she espouses but she's yet another MP who has achieved litterally nothing before politics and has little life experience.

@Langsdestiny

I think it's to do with the lack of talent in the labour party, having spent the last few years wallowing in self indulgence. Starmer has his work cut out and a lack of skilled people to help him. I am clinging on to my membership as I think he is heading in the right direction. Also I cant leave again I will look flaky

My experience in my (former) CLP is that it had many good (as in intelligent and articulate) candidates.

What changed was the Momentum takeover and the massive influx of students under their "cult" joining the party under Milliband and Corbyn.

Anyone, however long or hard they'd worked for the party was relegated to "Blair/Brown - ite" status.

Debate was crushed and a huge number of long standing members simply left - including myself.

In retrospect maybe that was a mistake; but I'm not sure at the time staying would have made any difference.

My former CLP is now a shadow of its former self based on information from a friend who hung on in.

All the "old guard" who actually put in the effort to campaign have left and ironically so have many of the momentum crowd (who did nothing bar posting on Twitter and yelling in CLP meetings).

After the last election they've just slunk off leaving the devastation behind them - akin to the detritus and pollution after Glastonbury that supports "green" issues.

All that said there are some cracking candidates in the CLP still.

Keir has got to get tough on this shit within his party and frankly withdraw the whip from idiots like his debate hating colleague.

Do we genuinely have an opposition MP who is against debate? Does she understand the whole sodding role of the opposition is to challenge the government and... you know... debate them?

I think it's to do with the lack of talent in the labour party, having spent the last few years wallowing in self indulgence. Starmer has his work cut out and a lack of skilled people to help him. I am clinging on to my membership as I think he is heading in the right direction. Also I cant leave again I will look flaky

But...

If there is no debate about the status quo, and rolling back rights....

Doesn't that mean sticking with sex based women's rights, the right to sex segregated spaces, and no self-id?

Oh god An embarrassment of riches for the people of Nottingham.

Oh Bint, don't worry about all women's shortlists, Notts has got that sorted as well... Heather Peto was up against Nadia. We have all the best women.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/transgender-woman-woman-shortlist-labour-1063476?utmsource=sharebar&utmmmedium=email&utmcampaign=sharebar

Someone mentioned Claudia Webbe upthread who was a shoe-in in Leicester under similar circumstances.

Anyone remember this?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50467321

Please, Labour, sort yourselves out!