"Survivors Must Fight For Trans Women Too" thoughts?

Has there been any incidences of transwomen being murdered by their partner or former partner. I have seen the statistic that one transwomen a year is murdered in the U.K. Were they murdered by a partner?

Turn a percentage of refuges mixed sex, as some females will be fine with that, leave others single sex, and let female people choose to meet all needs. Job done.

I think the main women who will be 'fine' with that is those with older male children, who, from what I understand, also have trouble accessing refuge space at the moment because of the (understandable) rules - they'd put their own recovery at a disadvantage because of their children - I think most mothers would.

I do worry that given how short refuge spaces are anyway, having mixed refuges like that will lead to some women having to take those spaces because there aren't any single sex available, rather than because they're OK with mixed sex refuge. I don't know if that's any worse than the situation now?

Women who come on here to ask if we think very serious assaults are abusive, women who back away from doing anything to help themselves because they’re too afraid.

I think its in the records of the debate held amongst the Scots MPs last year, evidence given that while TW are accepted into refuges as having suffered DA, it was extremely rare if ever happening that a TW was in danger of life threatening abuse. It wasn't rare at all for women coming into the refuge. It isn't a competition.

It's just about some female people needing female only spaces, and how males feel about that is not more important than how those female people feel about that, particularly when not having access to a female only space may mean that those female people die.

Turn a percentage of refuges mixed sex, as some females will be fine with that, leave others single sex, and let female people choose to meet all needs. Job done.

Except the mere existence somewhere in the UK of female people being allowed to have their needs met in a single sex space - even if those needs cannot be met any other way, even if those females may die without it - is something some males will not tolerate.

I would think that one of the major reasons a woman fleeing DV doesn't want to live in a refuge with men is they wouldn't feel safe around men right then (perhaps they will always be nervous around men).

I think it's fundamentally telling that transwomen, even if fleeing violence from a female partner, apparently feel perfectly safe to live in a refuge full of women.

They clearly don't have the same visceral fear of women that women who've experienced DV have of men.

You would have to be on glue to miss the male supremacism going on here.

Indeed. I don't think that article is likely to have the effect they were hoping.

hiding behind our survivorhood in order to behave abusively.

Which of course the TRA political lobby never do....

or could this be possibly (yet_ another case of 'males are allowed to do this but females aren't' ?

I used to subscribe to R29 but deleted it when they posted some absolute trash like this once before.

All DV is underreported, just look at the screeds of threads on here going back years. Women who come on here to ask if we think very serious assaults are abusive, women who back away from doing anything to help themselves because they’re too afraid.

But when this defensiveness manifests as shaming and policing trans people’s existence and liberties in the (misguided) name of our own 'safety', cis women must recognise what we are doing: hiding behind our survivorhood in order to behave abusively.

The comma's they have put around 'safety' tells you all you need to know.
There are real-life examples already of transwomen in shelters in Canada causing problems with transwomen threatening women's safety.

^Why don't trans people campaign for their own refuges and safe spaces?
Most feminists would support that, stonewall probably have the money to make that happen right now, today, tomorrow and for years to come.^

Bluebellsarebells, Stonewall has never been involved in providing anything material or practical for their LGB constituency. They only sought to change the law and the observation of the law. So a) they can't spend money on shelters for transpeople. And b) if they're do get involved in that, why the hell haven't they done the same for their LGB constituency?

Why is T so much more vulnerable and so much more precious that it deserves better treatment than LGB people?

Not to forget:

The definition of oppression involves the demanding of labour from the subordinated group to the oppressors.

The labour being: for female people to stop all personal feelings and needs, hurl aside cultures and faiths and identities, and service the male people. Whose feelings and needs and cultures and faiths and identities absolutely matter to the nth degree and heaven help female people if they are perceived as disrespecting the male people's expression of these in even the most subtle way, while it's fine for male people to openly deride and invalidate the female people for even mentioning them.)

Additional labour demand: female people may not feel anger or unfairness about this, as this means those females are thinking of themselves instead of caring exclusively about male people.

You would have to be on glue to miss the male supremacism going on here.

Anyone ever noticed anyone exhorting TW to fight for females and the issues and concerns that solely affect female people? Since all being women together etc?

Anyone....?

……..Anyone...………………………….?

Translate this and it's a basic scolding that female people are selfish and nasty if they don't put the needs and caretaking of male people before their own interests. Good old fashioned sexist oppression of female people by males. #thesupporthumansaremalfunctioning

I was wondering when they would finally get round to talking about trans men.

the existence of trans men and non binary people has been all but forgotten. The impact is devastating. As trans survivor and activist Nim Ralph says: "With nowhere to go that either accepts us or explicitly understands the complex intersections of trans experience and gender-based violence, we are forced into the cold. Trapped between the silence of survivorship, and the solitude of transphobia, we have to carry those wounds alone."

Nim Ralph looks like a woman (but likes to be called 'they'), so is almost certainly female. So Nim would not be turned away from a women's refuge.

As for finding somewhere which 'explicitly understands the complex intersections of trans experience and gender-based violence', this is a good argument for separate spaces for trans people, both transwomen and women who don't want to be women.

Is it the actual law now that if a man says he feels like a women he can access any of our spaces?

The Equality Act in theory still allows for single-sex provision.

Stonewall want to have that completely removed along with GRA reform. (See screenshot)

The problem is that the trans rights groups have been lobbying institutions so that many seem to believe single-sex spaces are discriminatory, leading to boys in the girls loos, boys in girl guides, trans women in refuges, women's prisons, changing rooms etc. So the law hasn't changed but the institutional capture has well and truly happened.

That's why talk of "rolling back" trans rights is such nonsense. People seem to think the law has already changed. It hasn't. Therefore maintaining the 2 year period for a GRC and keeping single-sex spaces is not "rolling back."

I've no wish to play top trumps with statistics over who is most abused by whom.

I'm happy to support anyone who is a victim of domestic abuse, but that support must be tailored to the needs of the victims. And for women that is often a female only refuge.

No nancybotwinbloom it’s not the law.

I didn’t think they did. What an awful article. So many factual errors. How can people like that work with abuse victims? There is just no compassion. No awareness of safeguarding. The worst fear of anyone who has to go into a refuge is that their partner would find them. Abusers absolutely would say they identified as a woman to get into a refuge.

YY to separate services that meet the specific needs of tw.

I have never experienced DV but have enough understanding to imagine that the last thing on a woman’s mind would be consciously discriminating or abusing the person in the room next door.

When you’re dealing with physical injuries, nightmares and flashbacks, jumping at every noise, potentially trying to help your kids grow and learn and recover from their potential abuse in a strange environment, deal with depression, guilt, lack of self worth, possibly self harm/substance abuse... you shouldn’t have to articulate that someone in the hostel is intimidating or triggering your trauma. This woman is not an abuser, they are not a paying customer with a choice to go elsewhere, they have no power.

It is for those in positions of power to protect all of their service users and to do a real assessment of their needs, if this is a male free zone, then that comes first. Transwomen need their own services.

Enraging and based on a series of logical fallacies.

I think I might have found a picture taken while the authors were researching this nasty piece of shite.

No they don't siablue. They exclude men and transwomen (men who identify as women).

Thank you.

Do Southall black sisters exclude gender non conforming women? The only time I have ever heard of this happening is ‘trans’ inclusive rape centres who don’t include trans men.

For anyone who is interested in what life is like for women who marry men who come out as trans after many years of marriage and children, the trans widows website is a bit of an eye opener: www.transwidowsvoices.org/