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The Guardian does it again: trans, gender, and sexism.

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Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 07:16

I forgot how to cry as a man. HRT gave me a range of emotions I never thought possible

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/20/i-forgot-how-to-cry-as-a-man-hrt-gave-me-a-range-of-emotions-i-never-thought-possible?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Are they doing it on purpose??

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Tanith · 20/07/2020 07:39

According to the second article, there now appears to be hard evidence available:

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The Guardian can reveal that in a 38-page draft document produced by its transgender working group, it is acknowledged that there is likely to be “at least a 20-30% greater risk” of injury when a female player is tackled by someone who has gone through male puberty. The document also says the latest science shows that trans women retain “significant” physical advantages over biological women even after they take medication to lower their testosterone."

testing987654321 · 20/07/2020 07:37

Voluntary evolution is the hallmark of humanity. Gender affirmation, through hormone replacement therapy, is an awesome celebration of that quality. Trans and gender diverse people today are in the forge of evolution, we are wayfarers, nova heralds. We seek out and discover new ways to be.

I don't think they understand evolution.

What kind of "new way to be" involves major surgery and lifelong medication?

Tanith · 20/07/2020 07:35

They're trying to present both sides.
In my humble opinion, that's a good thing.
People will see both articles and make up their own minds. It will inform and encourage debate.

highame · 20/07/2020 07:35

@FredaFrogspawn

Interesting that she said hormones/by implication, women don’t have to suffer arousal as men do. Though she admits to some strange things having aroused her when she was a man. I think the mistake she has made is the conflagration of her experiences with all trans experiences, and the subtext that this is what being a woman is. It just feeds into the view of feminine stereotypes which annoys so many women so much and undermines us.
Absofuckinglutely
FredaFrogspawn · 20/07/2020 07:33

Interesting that she said hormones/by implication, women don’t have to suffer arousal as men do. Though she admits to some strange things having aroused her when she was a man. I think the mistake she has made is the conflagration of her experiences with all trans experiences, and the subtext that this is what being a woman is. It just feeds into the view of feminine stereotypes which annoys so many women so much and undermines us.

highame · 20/07/2020 07:33

I took HRT for years and it had the opposite effect, so perhaps it had nothing to do with HRT, and the same for the person in the article

JoyFreeCake · 20/07/2020 07:33

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NotTerfNorCis · 20/07/2020 07:31

That is a cringy article

At first I wondered if the author meant he was numb because he was depressed. But then he moves on to talking about his sex drive reducing after hormone therapy.

One thing I don't get. If taking hormones alters someone's feelings and personality, how did they know they were supposed to be the opposite sex before taking the hormones? They had the feelings and personality of their own sex, didn't they, at least according to people like Candace?

Valambtine · 20/07/2020 07:29

I am a woman. I find it extremely hard to cry. Last time I remember a good sob was 10 years ago when dh was an arse the day I brought my youngest child home.

Am I not a proper woman then?

feetfreckles · 20/07/2020 07:27

Women's hormones make them emotional ??? Can't they be done for that kind of crap?

TheBitterBoy · 20/07/2020 07:25

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DrinkFeckArseGirls · 20/07/2020 07:24

But they also published this: www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/19/transwomen-face-potential-womens-rugby-ban-over-safety-concerns.

I was very surprised to see this!