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The Guardian does it again: trans, gender, and sexism.

137 replies

Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 07:16

I forgot how to cry as a man. HRT gave me a range of emotions I never thought possible

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/20/i-forgot-how-to-cry-as-a-man-hrt-gave-me-a-range-of-emotions-i-never-thought-possible?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Are they doing it on purpose??

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Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 20/07/2020 08:57

The author of the article is the same person who writes about shoving tampons up their bum.

imisspockets.com/my-bumhole/

Totally not a fetish.

JackiesArmy · 20/07/2020 08:55

TheBitterBoy I hadn't even noticed the photograph, it really is odd.

I noticed this bit: "When you transition, so does everyone around you. They must unlearn who they thought you were." Why must they? Why does person A deciding to change the way they express themselves mean everyone else on the planet has to change?

KarenKarendson · 20/07/2020 08:53

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LonginesPrime · 20/07/2020 08:51

Nowhere is this more important than around my women friends. I can enjoy their companionship at a deeper level, as they share with me their favourite ways to be

Yes, I share my favourite ways to be with my friends all the time. Hmm

ASmallMovie · 20/07/2020 08:48

‘They’re trying to present both sides’

You’ve obviously not been reading The Guardian of late. They have been promoting an anti-women, pro-trans agenda for months.

The rugby article is surprising, from
The Guardian, because it’s written fairly rather than ‘outrage as...’ Wouldn’t be at all surprised, however, if there’s a piece in the coming days from someone aggrieved by and feeling excluded and discriminated against because of this decision. That’s The Guardian these days. That will no doubt be the request issued at morning conference... it is simply no longer a newspaper that cares about the hard won sex-based rights of girls and women.

TheBitterBoy · 20/07/2020 08:48

I don't get why my comment was deleted either, I didn't use incorrect pronouns, and I only queried the appropriateness of the photo choice of the protagonist.

BertiesLanding · 20/07/2020 08:46

One person's experience extrapolated as being intrinsically female. It's just ridiculous.

OldCrone · 20/07/2020 08:35

One thing I don't get. If taking hormones alters someone's feelings and personality, how did they know they were supposed to be the opposite sex before taking the hormones? They had the feelings and personality of their own sex, didn't they, at least according to people like Candace?

It's trans logic. It goes something like this: Man is unhappy with some aspect of being male. Therefore he is a woman.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 20/07/2020 08:30

Women's hormones make them emotional ???

I thought it was our ovaries Grin

sashagabadon · 20/07/2020 08:30

I think it because they know they cannot win the sports arguments. No one sane could possibly agree that males should be able to compete against females particularly in contact sports. It is an unwinnable argument and makes them look silly to say anything otherwise so they have conceeded it but they have not yet given up the other nonsense.
It is a change of tack ie. Concentrate on the battles they may be able to win.
It does mean that they have to row back on twaw though which is good and will no doubt annoy many tra's

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/07/2020 08:19

That's odd, going by the men I know I'm almost certain that the presence of testosterone does not disable one's tearbuds.

(There is absolutely nothing progressive about holding onto stereotypes like you're 3 and they're your favorite teddy.)

RednaxelasLunch · 20/07/2020 08:19

@NotTerfNorCis I've wondered this too. Hmm.

FredaFrogspawn · 20/07/2020 08:18

The potential rugby ruling has huge implications because if it is agreed in law that trans women are advantaged in rugby, then they are advantaged one other sports too. Ergo women are disadvantaged in all sports in their own sex class when competing against trans women. Which is what many have been saying all along.

nepeta · 20/07/2020 08:18

If I had been told twenty years ago that sexist stereotyping will be supported by left-wing papers in 2020 I would not have believed it.

The rugby article at least addresses the issues, though some of the language is based on definitions forced on us by a very small minority, however marginalized. I am not "cis" but a woman.

On sex vs. gender in sports, the true underlying reason for sex-segregating many sports is that the male and female bodies differ, on average, and that trans women will have characteristics from the male distribution, not from the female distribution. The segregation has nothing to do with one's gender identity. Indeed, it would be meaningless to segregate sports on that basis alone.

I understand that the problems all this creates are difficult and involve competing rights, but the rights of millions of girls to have fair competitions surely should matter just a little, too.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 20/07/2020 08:15

I wonder why the change of tack.

Loss of subscribers/readers. They've had their begging bowls out. Jobs are being lost.

I think they are starting to realise that by backing the TRA's they backed the wrong horse.

Turns out that people, especially women, don't like being told how they should define themselves. So they have shifted their spending elsewhere. Who would have thought this would happen... oh... Wink

JoyFreeCake · 20/07/2020 08:12

So I've re-read the Talk Guidelines and the extra-special FWR moderation principles and am yet to see anything that suggests that my post contravened any of them. @MNHQ what gives? Who have you pandered to and what on earth did they say to make you think that contravened guidelines?

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 20/07/2020 08:06

I’m just amazed they could bring themselves to publish the rugby article. Up till now that would be inconceivable pf them to do so. I wonder why the change of tack.

JoyFreeCake · 20/07/2020 08:04

Why was my comment deleted? I called the article bollocks. With a couple of appropriate intensifiers.

SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 20/07/2020 08:03

@DrinkFeckArseGirls @Tanith one is actual news and the other is a load of gender stereotyping nonsense by a disturbed individual.

@ThousandsAreSailing I know, right? Still, it's evidence based research and, hopefully, it's impact will be far reaching where more sports bodies will follow.

Screwyourcourage · 20/07/2020 08:00

To feel that range of emotions was something I never thought would be possible, and yet it’s now a monthly occurrence.

Monthly occurrence?!! Just seems a bit coincidental wouldn’t you say?!

ThousandsAreSailing · 20/07/2020 07:53

The rugby article is ridiculous
It took new research for them to realise that men's arms don't get shorter or their hearts shrink after taking hormone therapy 🤔
I refuse to call it HRT. They are not replacing natural hormones

Tanith · 20/07/2020 07:51

I think I'll ignore it because it doesn't interest me at all and it's not relevant to me...

WishICouldThinkOfAGoodName · 20/07/2020 07:49

Another batshit article from The Guardian... seriously though, how can they print this garbage? Talk about stereotyping. I think I’ll go and put something pink on, do my nails and have a little cry Wink

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/07/2020 07:46

Another moving work by the same author (warning, it is actually pretty disturbing)

imisspockets.com/my-bumhole/

CasuallyMasculine · 20/07/2020 07:40

I can’t believe that’s even newsworthy.

Both sides of the arguments my arse.