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The Guardian does it again: trans, gender, and sexism.

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Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 07:16

I forgot how to cry as a man. HRT gave me a range of emotions I never thought possible

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/20/i-forgot-how-to-cry-as-a-man-hrt-gave-me-a-range-of-emotions-i-never-thought-possible?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Are they doing it on purpose??

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WeeBisom · 20/07/2020 10:40

@Kit19, I rolled my eyes at the suggestion that teenage boys who wear makeup are 'gender fluid'. Also, the makeup industry is completely dominated by males - think of all of the high profile makeup influencers. Most of them are dudes. So it's not particularly trail blazing for a teen boy to get ahead in the cosmetics industry because they are whizzed up the glass escalator.

Kit19 · 20/07/2020 10:26

and then they publish this too

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/20/beauty-boys-men-makeup-teenagers-cosmetics-industry

i must have imagined the 1970s and 80s where men wore make up then. does everyone at the guardian stop researching any history that happened after 1969?

its great that boys feel comfortable wearing make up but its not a new thing!

Wolfgirrl · 20/07/2020 10:24

@NotTerfNorCis

Exactly. I always say if they cannot define 'the female gender' then how do they know that is what they are feeling?

The fact oestrogen makes this person feel more emotional isnt some kind of proof that they 'feel' more like a woman. This also happens to men withdrawing from steroids etc. Plus some women have incredibly high sex drives, or are not big cryers.

Also the article says it is gender stereotypes that cause men to suppress emotions, so how can this man-made construct be 'cured' with hormones?

None of it makes sense, it is all a mess.

KarenKarendson · 20/07/2020 10:14

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RoyalCorgi · 20/07/2020 10:06

I’m just amazed they could bring themselves to publish the rugby article. Up till now that would be inconceivable pf them to do so. I wonder why the change of tack.

Not at all. It's all to do with the different sections in the Guardian having different editors. The article linked to in the OP is from the Australian site, which is full of wokies (just like the Guardian US).

The rugby article is by Sean Ingle, the Guardian's chief sports reporter, who has a record of impartial reporting on the issue of trans women in sport. See e.g.

www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/jul/22/current-impasse-transgender-athletes

www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/24/ioc-delays-new-transgender-guidelines-2020-olympics

Xanthangum · 20/07/2020 09:51

The Observer's Science Editor, Robin Mickie missed a trick in his piece yesterday:

Like other fat old men I felt especially threatened by the arrival of Covid-19. This is a disease that penalises those who are male, who are overweight and who are getting on in years, after all.

And like many others, I became anxious when lockdown was imposed. Yes, I was stuck with being male and old – but my obesity? Well, maybe that was something I could change.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2020 09:46

I'd assume that any Guardian staffer who chose to publish the tongue picture is either secretly GC or similar in nature to the author and excited to be able to get that into a supposedly respectable hahahaha mainstream newspaper article.

highame · 20/07/2020 09:38

*The segregation has nothing to do with one's gender identity. Indeed, it would be meaningless to segregate sports on that basis alone.

I understand that the problems all this creates are difficult and involve competing rights, but the rights of millions of girls to have fair competitions surely should matter just a little, too.*

Not just a little, surely it's all that matters, or am I being unfair. I disagree that rights are completing. There is a circle here and it cannot be squared, no matter how 'kind' we are

ThatsHowWeRowl · 20/07/2020 09:37

That tongue out photo is weird and inappropriate for that article. No wonder no one is taking The Guardian seriously these days.

peadarm · 20/07/2020 09:34

@ThousandsAreSailing

The tounge out photo is 🤮 Is it supposed to be sexy?
Seductive. Like women should be, you know?

When they’re not having a good cry.

PopperUppleton · 20/07/2020 09:32

In beige? Nah

CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/07/2020 09:29

Is it supposed to be sexy? Oh, the winsome little coquette!!

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/07/2020 09:28

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/07/2020 09:26

Trans and gender diverse people today are in the forge of evolution Humanity is fucked then!

Procreation exists for a reason!

This supposed evolution effectively neuters everyone! So how do the forgers of new ways of being suggest humanity reproduces itself? And don't say Gilead... or womb transplants!

ThousandsAreSailing · 20/07/2020 09:26

The tounge out photo is 🤮
Is it supposed to be sexy?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/07/2020 09:24

No wonder the guardian is fucked posting crap like that.

The internet is, unfortunately, full of stuff like that. Why would anyone pay The Guardian for it?

NotBadConsidering · 20/07/2020 09:23

@Mycatismadeofstringcheese

The author of the article is the same person who writes about shoving tampons up their bum.

imisspockets.com/my-bumhole/

Totally not a fetish.

This will be another author to add to the list of people The Guardian has commissioned for articles who have turned out to be not quite what they were hoping, such as Jamie Shupe and Hannah Mouncey. You only have to look at how the article talks about how too much is made of genitals, only for it then to progress to discuss unwanted erections while watching birds feed 🤮.
NotBadConsidering · 20/07/2020 09:20

The Guardian hasn’t changed tack. Sean Ingle has regularly reported on fairness in sport and he probably ran this past the sports editor. The article about rugby in no way balances out the article about a male being on oestrogen, wrongly called hormone “replacement” therapy.

If they were being balanced they would not have rejected Laura Dodsworth’s article about females who have detransitioned. It would have been the perfect balance, showing the negatives of hormone therapy. Instead they rejected the article and The Times published it instead.

Winesalot · 20/07/2020 09:19

@Bmidreams

I completely forgot to mention the photo!!!
You mean the weird pic with the tongue poked out?

Seriously though. If that scenario was used in an ad it would be banned for gender stereotyping women so negatively in some countries. If not, it should.

LunaNorth · 20/07/2020 09:12

Fluctuating, ffs

LunaNorth · 20/07/2020 09:11

Apart from anything else, why does this person think anyone gives a fuck about his fluctuations sex drive and emotions?

The narcissism is outrageous. And yet it gets printed in a national newspaper. Why?

KarenKarendson · 20/07/2020 09:07

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OnAPar · 20/07/2020 09:05

I’m so offended.
Toxic stereotypes are not an integral part of being a woman.

ThatsHowWeRowl · 20/07/2020 09:04

Another moving work by the same author

Well that's 7 minutes of my life I won't ever get back. Why do these people feel the need to put this stuff out there?! Enjoying putting tampons up your bum does not mean you are a woman by the way!

I don't get why they call it HRT either - those hormones are not replacing hormones that the body has stopped making.

Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 09:00

I completely forgot to mention the photo!!!

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