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The Guardian does it again: trans, gender, and sexism.

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Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 07:16

I forgot how to cry as a man. HRT gave me a range of emotions I never thought possible

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/20/i-forgot-how-to-cry-as-a-man-hrt-gave-me-a-range-of-emotions-i-never-thought-possible?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Are they doing it on purpose??

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/07/2020 10:22

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/07/2020 09:57

Toxic masculinity is the cause of this particular problem. Social conditioning and ridiculous expectations attached to 'gender' are also the problem. Invasive hormonal treatment - the effects of which are yet to be determined - are a pretty bloody drastic 'solution', and arguably not a solution at all. But there's no wonder effeminate men feel more comfortable in a woman's identity. Society simply offers such men no place at all as 'real' men. It's that assumption that needs to be challenged.

Being 'hormonal, emotional, hysterical', (add stupid, unsubstantiated, sexist rhetoric ad nauseum), is not a marker of womanhood. Had those sorts of views of women been expressed just five short years ago, they would have been laughed out of town as the antediluvian bigotry and sexist BS they are.

A friend of mine is suffering appalling menopausal symptoms, including migraines that wipe her out for three days at a time, and is unable to get access to HRT. You know. That specific therapy designed to relieve the real experience and related suffering of actual women. But women's suffering can go hang, while medical science panders to men's social hang-ups. It's staggering. And in the meantime, the left-wing (ha!) press capitulates to The Ideology and denigrates anyone who dares raise reasonable questions.

You know what? Despite the imbalance between so-called left- and right-wing press I sincerely hope the Guardian actually does go bust. They now don't even resemble any definition of 'left' I've ever recognised, and the left/right distinction is increasingly meaningless anyway.

Wolfgirrl · 21/07/2020 09:55

@InionEile of course women get aroused without trying sometimes, it is just we dont have a visible display of it lol. How many times have you zoned out at work thinking about someone you were dating/fancying etc. Around ovulation date is particularly bad!

It is depressingly misogynistic to make out we are all pure, demure sexless beings that see it as a service to a man.

Wolfgirrl · 21/07/2020 09:52

Doesnt the oestrogen stop them from balding?

Kantastic · 21/07/2020 09:41

Genuine question - why is this a monthly occurrence? Are the drugs administered monthly or is this an allusion to menstruation?

The drugs are not administered monthly. Nonetheless some transwomen claim that they get monthly "periods" except for the bleeding, which is only a minor part of a period and not the important bit. On transwomen periods they get tummy pains and eat ice cream and chocolate (possibly the cause of the tummy pains, now I think about it) and behave badly towards everyone because their hormones made them do it. Transwomen periods are, according to official doctrine, induced by hormonal cycles. Even though the hormone doses they're on don't cycle.

Suggesting that transwomen periods may be pychosomatic symptoms induced by wishful thinking is transphobic. Actually even asking "what are you talking about, how can transwomen get periods?" is transphobic. Women have been exiled from online groups merely for asking for clarification because they haven't encountered this aspect of the religion before.

Scott72 · 21/07/2020 09:01

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Goosefoot · 20/07/2020 22:31

@ChristmasKitties

Jesus fucking Christ. Women’s hormones make them super emotional and hysterical?? Women have lower sex drives ??

It’s like feminism never happened.

I'm not sure that is really the problem. Women do seem to have lower sex drives, certainly hormones effect that, and plenty of women can attest to that. Breastfeeding, menopause, even just the normal menstrual cycle can clearly affect our sex drive. And yes it affects our emotions.

But that still doesn't mean that all women are emotionally labile, or that men injecting themselves with oestrogen are women because it affects their sex drive.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 20/07/2020 22:10

they share with me their favourite ways to be

Lawks - I am now berating myself for my failure to be aware of my "favourite ways to be" or even understand what that means ?

ChristmasKitties · 20/07/2020 21:52

Jesus fucking Christ. Women’s hormones make them super emotional and hysterical?? Women have lower sex drives ??

It’s like feminism never happened.

PumbaasCucumbas · 20/07/2020 21:44

My dh can cry at DIY SOS when he’s tired, he’s definitely not a woman

ShinyFootball · 20/07/2020 18:25

Maybe read the article Scott before deciding to agree with the author!

Melroses · 20/07/2020 18:25

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

No wonder the guardian is fucked posting crap like that.

The internet is, unfortunately, full of stuff like that. Why would anyone pay The Guardian for it?

Quite right - all the crap and click bait you could ever want, for free, on the internet.

People want proper journalism if they are going to pay.

KarenKarendson · 20/07/2020 18:22

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Melroses · 20/07/2020 18:22

I read this persons previous publication (a bit too late at night Shock ) and really, The Guardian will publish anything that maintains their agenda, with their eyes closed.

ShinyFootball · 20/07/2020 18:21

Does trigger conservatives = irritate women now then?

KarenKarendson · 20/07/2020 18:21

its great that boys feel comfortable wearing make up but its not a new thing!

Absolutely. Many of my male friends back in the 80s and 90s wore make up /skirts and dresses. They looked great. The big difference is they knew they were men. They didn't need or want to stamp all over women's rights and safety to express themselves.

YourVagesty · 20/07/2020 18:20

The cognitive dissonance over at Guardian HQ is quite something. They can't join the dots at all between the quality of their content and their dwindling fortunes.

NearlyGranny · 20/07/2020 18:16

A quick glance at Cadance's Twitter shows delight in trying to 'trigger' 'conservatives' so, yeah, back row of the classroom stuff really. A sort of trans shock jock without a proper platform. Nothing the Guardian prints now surprises me, except perhaps the rational rugby story!

YourVagesty · 20/07/2020 17:32

One moment I was laughing, the next I was bawling. Then I was laughing about crying, and crying because I was laughing about it.

Well yes, that's exactly what my daily life is. Hard to get work done what with all the cycles of bawling and screaming with hysteria.

To feel that range of emotions was something I never thought would be possible, and yet it’s now a monthly occurrence.

Genuine question - why is this a monthly occurrence? Are the drugs administered monthly or is this an allusion to menstruation?

MsPants · 20/07/2020 17:22

I'm really sad about how blatantly homophobic this is. The Guardian was always supportive of the gay community, and they're now promoting this person who is quite open about claiming womanhood because being gay is so completely unbearable. What a time to be alive.

Scott72 · 20/07/2020 17:10

I'm not reading that article, but I thought it was generally accepted that women have, on average, a sex drive which works differently from men, due in part to hormones. More contentious is the idea that women, again on average, experience emotions a bit differently from men, again in part due to hormones. I've read other accounts how men taking female hormones find it easier to cry, or reverse for women taking male hormones.

ShinyFootball · 20/07/2020 17:04

Summary:

Boys don't cry
Sex is for men

Awesome.

Bmidreams · 20/07/2020 16:43

A part of me thinks this article is anti trans, as it's so so ridiculous, and the picture is so gross (tongue sticking out). It's completely highlighting the plain ridiculousness. Especially adding in the tampons up the arse element. It's making a mockery of transwomen and not women?? Maybe??

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