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Posie Parker at Speaker's Corner earlier today

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SunsetBeetch · 19/07/2020 17:32

Enjoy. Ovaries of steel, this woman.

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ScreamingMeMe · 23/05/2021 17:16

Load of rubbish being spouted in the last few posts. But here we go

Posie has said she is NOT a feminist. So no she doesn't represent feminism in any way.

Calling Posie subservient and a Stepford Wife is very revealing...about you. Please show me where Posie has ever said that that's what women should be like. In the video today she actually says she knows she is stereotypically feminine, but she wants to celebrate the young women she sees who fall in the middle of breast binding at one extreme and wearing high heels and tight dresses at the other.

Here's the video of Posie talking to BLM. It got heated on both sides, certainly. But the aggression and swearing came from BLM. I've never seen her tell those women that they should care about women's rights more than racism...is there another video where she does this, please?

I agree with thr American lady who spoke today (didn't catch her name sorry) that there is room for different people: the rabble-rousers and the more quiet, conciliatory people. I don't feel the need to agree with every single thing a person says or does: that feels very restrictive.

Cleanandpress · 23/05/2021 16:56

I'm asking you what the subservience you have insisted is the inevitable outcome I want I am going to experience? What is it? Come on, you are adamant it's going to happen so what does happen in single sex hospital wards that is subservient? Surely you can explain? It is the central point of your objection so there must be plenty of illustrations you can give us all?
What happens in female gym changing rooms that is subservient when single sex?

Details please?

MishyJDI · 23/05/2021 16:47

@Cleanandpress

her reinforcing of gender sterotyping does not help the feminist cause trying to pigeon hole us back to sub servience.

How do you get from the understanding that we are all male or female pigeon hole me back into subservience? Please explain the steps I will be expected to go through to become subservient as a result of knowing that I am female and expecting only other females in my gym changing room? Will the female changing room take in ironing from the male changing room and we all have to press half a dozen pairs of trousers on the way out?

Not my definition of equality, but if Stepford subservience works for you, it's a free world.

I prefer inclusive feminism, that is progressive, not regressive.

Cleanandpress · 23/05/2021 16:10

her reinforcing of gender sterotyping does not help the feminist cause trying to pigeon hole us back to sub servience.

How do you get from the understanding that we are all male or female pigeon hole me back into subservience? Please explain the steps I will be expected to go through to become subservient as a result of knowing that I am female and expecting only other females in my gym changing room? Will the female changing room take in ironing from the male changing room and we all have to press half a dozen pairs of trousers on the way out?

MishyJDI · 23/05/2021 15:44

@TinaBarrow

Have watched. Surprised there weren't more there. But well done PP, as usual. And the other women speakers.
Because most people don't like associating with preachers of bigotry and hate....her reinforcing of gender sterotyping does not help the feminist cause trying to pigeon hole us back to sub servience.

I do not stand with Posie Parker. Doesn't look like many do.

The TRA's leave her alone as most I believe see her as a nutbag and not a serious feminist.

But free speech and all of that, and that is what Posie is doing at Speakers Corner, which is perfectly fab! But most thinking people dismiss her as a right wing bigot with a load of stickers....

TinselAngel · 23/05/2021 15:11

@astery

I have read Maya Forstarter who I largely agree with. Like me, she is not a fan of Posie either.
They seemed to get on quite well when Posie interviewed her a few weeks ago.
andyoldlabour · 23/05/2021 15:07

ScreamingMeMe

"Would she be allowed to, though?"

Probably not given the current situation, where extremist youngsters encourage the cancel, deplatform culture, then coerce adults who should know better to call off events.

Cleanandpress · 23/05/2021 14:59

Do let Maya know astery.

astery · 23/05/2021 14:55

Anyway white feminism is not for me. I will let you get on with it.

astery · 23/05/2021 14:54

@Cleanandpress Posie has plenty of fans.

LorettasBox · 23/05/2021 14:53

That's funny, I met Maya at one of the events Posie helped set up, and she didn't mention that she wasn't a fan. Maybe she was in the wrong place.

Cleanandpress · 23/05/2021 14:51

I gave up being a "fan" of anyone when I left my teenage years. Now I consider opinions and find some I agree with and some I don't. I don't start categorising in a sort of tribal instinct and asking people to line up behind me or be part of an enemy group.

astery · 23/05/2021 14:38

I have read Maya Forstarter who I largely agree with. Like me, she is not a fan of Posie either.

Cleanandpress · 23/05/2021 14:34

@astery

MN feminism is not representative of most women or even most feminists.
That's an interesting claim astery, mumsnet is the biggest women's forum in the UK so it would be hard to prove the biggest women's forum is not overall a representation of woman in the UK. Anyway you are only here to repeat the same old white feminism tedium .

Have a read of threads about Allison Bailey, Keria Bell, Sonia Appleby, and Maya Forstarter among others we can mention, who don't fall into the single white demographic you are so upset by, if you don't want to read about the Standing for Women group.

Bourbonandcoke · 23/05/2021 14:34

She is very marmite.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 23/05/2021 14:33

@astery

MN feminism is not representative of most women or even most feminists.
Probably not.

However, it sounds like you've done a full-on analysis tho' so I'll be interested to see it. Or are you appointing yourself as a general arbiter on the matter based on your impressions?

astery · 23/05/2021 14:26

MN feminism is not representative of most women or even most feminists.

Mumtwoboys90 · 23/05/2021 14:24

i follow her on Instagram but really surprised she doesnt have a bigger following? it always seems like she is supported on here

astery · 23/05/2021 14:23

Yes I watched that video. She started shouting out to the women first. One came over to talk to her. And Posie told her she should care more about women's rights than racism. The woman got angry with what Posie said. And I am not surprised.
There is a reason it is mainly white women who go to her protests and talks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2021 14:17

Is she still attacking BLM

I'm pretty sure they attacked her first. Didn't you see when they crashed her protest last year and kettled the women?

Cleanandpress · 23/05/2021 14:12

Great to see them out there again today.

astery · 23/05/2021 14:11

You haven't seen the video of her saying that?

Emanchego · 23/05/2021 14:10

I must've watched a completely different video to you, astery Confused

astery · 23/05/2021 14:08

Is she still attacking BLM and telling black women they should care more about single sex space than racism?

Childrenofthestones · 23/05/2021 14:03

Screamingmeme questioned if PP would be allowed at Universities?

Possibly now due to the slowly evolving Government pressure to stop Universities cancelling none woke speakers.

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