Fully outed myself as GC at woke workplace

sorry @ScrimpshawTheSecond - not sure how I attached my post to yours - I was trying to reference the point made by @BettyFilous - doh!

Am I right in thinking that disability discrimination is an unlimited liability at an employment tribunal, ie the sky’s the limit in a payout? It would be most unwise to push through measures that indirectly discriminate against your disabled employees.*
an interesting point @BettyFilous - it reminds me of the young man with Aspergers who was arrested and fined £600 for 'misgendering' a trans police officer in Wales - it sounded so unfair on the surface of it but when you consider that it is actually disability discrimination it is even worse!! His disability meant that he couldn't reconcile the signals his eyes, ears (and nose to a certain extent - sex specific pheromones could also sit at odds with the outward appearance of an individual). If he had someone on his side to advocate for him he would probably have a good claim for discrimination against the police.

Have to give some credit to Redtrees steadfast avoidance of actually engaging with the pertinent questions... top quality dodging on display

I'd crowd fund anyone who got sacked because they were GC. Being sacked for understanding biology is the way of madness.

However, I think any transpeople in the company would make sure there were lots of other things tagged onto the reasons for dismissal.

I think someone eluded to that earlier

Floral I’ve not made any threats about the OP’s employment at all. I am not her employer. I can reflect on how we would respond if she was in my company, but even then,as we have all acknowledged, the OP probably has a very safe legal position.

Yeah, funnily enough, I've only noticed one person making veiled threats about someone's employment on this thread, and it's not been any of the regulars, either feminists or 'GC' posters.

It's been the same person who has been quite openly calling the OP a bigot, which looks very like a personal attack to me.

That's the core of this, isn't it. If we don't know we share a definition, we can't know we are talking about the same thing.

Ok so you agree the pronouns point is reasonable as you're diverting away from it and implying it's a mask for transphobia?

@RedtreesRedtrees You should probably reflect on why you hate women so much that when they have opinions on their erasure and oppression you resort to calling them bigoted.

What's a woman? You haven't answered that one yet, keen to know.

Because she betrayed herself. Marked her card, right?

Nope, nothing intolerant and bigoted here at all. Totally reasonable.

I should probably reflect on whether my company is “woke”

So tell me why a concern for collecting accurate statistics about a clearly disadvantaged group (women in STEM) is unreasonable.

Tell other posters why their concerns about forced use of pronouns when all it does is give people a chance to virtue-signal and may actually put genuinely disadvantaged groups (trans people not yet ready to come out, women working in traditionally male-dominated industries who don't want the first thing their correspondent registers about them to be their sex) are unreasonable.

Come on, you must have some answer other than "but doing so makes you a bigot." Because if you can't back your claim up with actual arguments, then yes, you do look like the one who is bigoted.

We all know this has nothing really to do with the pronouns point. The OP betrayed herself when she described her employer as Woke.

So believing women are adult human females & gender is a socially constructed set of stereotypes is unreasonable

Deary me

It's unreasonable to think that sex exists and women should have rights?

I know this isn't AIBU, but I'd love an explanation about that one.

What is unreasonable about sex based rights then Redtrees?

What is your answer to the question about whether people are not ready to state what pronouns they prefer? How are you being kind and compassionate to them?

But why are sex based rights unreasonable?

Diana the key word there being ‘unreasonable’ otherwise everyone who disliked, for example, racists would be bigoted .

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It's funny because a bigot is someone who is 'intolerant to those holding different opinions', which kind of covers everyone on all sides when we talk about gender doesn't it.
Pro-gender identity people are definitely bigoted against others who are critical of gender, as redtrees is clearly displaying here.
We're all bigots together, some common ground at last!

Cross post with Dianas

Bigot is one of those words that appears to have been redefined.

It used to mean someone who was intolerant of the opinions of others.

Now it means someone who's opinions one is intolerant of and who's opinions can be dismissed without even considering them.

Cambridge dictionary definition of the word "bigot": a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life

Anyone else suffering from irony overload here?