Fully outed myself as GC at woke workplace

Wow ! Can’t believe the reaction this post got op! I’ve read through and must say I’ve been able to educate myself on GC cause I had no clue..... I particularly liked the ‘chest feeding room’ that’s brilliant. Redtrees I don’t understand you. I feel for you that you feel unable to openly talk about being GC at work and think somehow you will be fired for such.... as for the ‘colleague’ you know who was fired for daring to use her/their/his/it’s brain, I feel angry if there is not an employment tribunal for unfair dismissal in the pipelines.... this whole situation is so unbelievably complicated, and would have been unheard of even ten years ago. I think we need to stop celebrating bame and LGBTQ’s and black history month and all the other things we draw attention to by doing such. Even. Elevating these ‘things’ is divisive by its very nature and excluding of , and therefore discriminatory against, all those whom the celebration does not include. I’m so over and fed up with this. People scared to talk or communicate in writing at work for fear of referring to an entity in the wrong pronoun. It’s absolute utter nonsense. What about my right to be offended by asking me to ‘compartmentalise’ myself??? Today is far too woke. Redtrees I am sooo happy I don’t work for your company. Tbh I would be disgusted if I thought any of my family or friends worked for such an establishment What you are saying in terms of “ policy would have you fired for that ( in my words!) “ seems to me your company will be at the height of a discriminatory televised and deeply publicised investigation, in much the same as say, Anna wintour or whatever her name is has been recently. You cannot treat people like objects, you cannot wipe women ( as they are biologically and factually known and identified and legally are ) out of history because some woke pleb decided that we need DISCRIMINATE against us ladies. I think if you can’t stand up for yourself maybe you should get a better job, in a nicer and more pleasant place , where you will be fully appreciated. Happy lady wishes to EVERYONE.

@RedtreesRedtrees

It seems to me that the underlying theme here is an inability to accept that we don’t all accept the GC perspective. Consequently all you can do is fall back on accusations of misogyny or that I must be a man . Of myself and my colleagues I’d say we are strong women leading in a very male dominated sector. We’re not repressed or subjugated and we do not spend our time agitating, spreading fear and slaying imaginary dragons. Some posters have railed against an apparent uniformity of thought in the company, but can you not see the uniformity evidenced by posters across these threads? They read like you’re brainwashed. I appreciate you dislike the term, but there really is unmerited hysteria in some of the posts here. I believe somebody actually took a quip about interrogation as literal fact! Some of the claims have been even more wild. We will clearly not agree on this so I will wish you the best and leave you to continue the ‘discussion’ amongst yourselves.

There's no need at all to accept the"GC" perspective. What is evidenced here is the failure of the identity perspective pushed on people who recite the nonsense script sold by charlatans like Gendered Intelligence et al. By all means be proud of falling for it, but you are the ones believing in dragons and other fantasy worlds Redtrees.

@DianasLasso

Thank you. I cross posted with you but I'm extremely relieved to know that I'm not the only one

I think women would be a bit more open to the idea, at least I know/have come across several women dating transmen. Apparently women are more 'bisexual' than men are.

This one definitely isn't. I'm the straightest of straight women and the thought of intimacy with a female is a deeply unpalatable thought – for me, personally

And yet, I live my life in Doc Marts, shave my head to number zero and spend my Saturdays down the footie. So it's a commonly held assumption amongst strangers that I'm a lesbian. I've had people argue with me: 'Oh, you MUST be'. Well, no actually.

Best grow my hair and pop on a pretty frock, eh? And be thankful I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Had I been a child of today, Mermaids would have recommended pumping me full of hormones and turning me into a boy

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I think women would be a bit more open to the idea, at least I know/have come across several women dating transmen. Apparently women are more 'bisexual' than men are.

But I do not know any man that would even consider dating a transwoman.[/quote]
That would simply indicate that women are possibly more likely to be bisexual than men. (Dunno if that's true but let's suppose for the sake of argument it is). It doesn't mean straight women would be okay with a a transman.

I'm straight. I do cock, not vulva. In fact I would be totally squicked out at the thought of touching another woman's vulva in a sexual context.

In the case of the younger me, if I'd been so drunk I didn't notice that the androgynous person I was chatting up was in fact a woman (an unlikely scenario in the extreme, but let's suppose I was that drunk), if we got back to mine and the pants came off to reveal vulva... it would be a "hell no!" from me.

@NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace

I think women would be a bit more open to the idea, at least I know/have come across several women dating transmen. Apparently women are more 'bisexual' than men are.

But I do not know any man that would even consider dating a transwoman.

Does anybody know a heterosexual male that would seriously see no difference between dating a woman and a transwoman?

Does anyone know a heterosexual woman who would see no difference between dating a man and a transman?

The last time I got lucky after a wild night, it would have ended 'unpleasantly' if we'd got back to this hotel room and I'd discovered that he was anything other than male!

Of myself and my colleagues I’d say we are strong women leading in a very male dominated sector. We’re not repressed or subjugated and we do not spend our time agitating, spreading fear and slaying imaginary dragons

Most of us here are very strong women too. I certainly don't live my life feeling subjugated and victimised; but I do know the difference between male and female, as it it is instinctively registered, and besides you can hardly miss the obvious differences.

I also know that women require single spaces and sports for obvious reasons....and that young girls also have a right to the have the privacy and dignity of their sex.

What makes me a woman is my body; my biology...and everything that stems from that. Performing gender roles or wearing a skirt is not what makes me a woman, even if I do like to wear skirts.

We will clearly not agree on this

Oh, you can take that to the bank. HUN!

They read like you’re brainwashed

The irony!

The whole world, from time immemorial, and the scientific community must be brainwashed too.

It is you who is brainwashed...into accepting that people can change sex; and even that sex is not real in the first instance. Furthermore you have been brainwashed into accepting that gender identities are something more substantial than an individual response to, and a struggle with gender stereotypes.

There is a reason that most FTM trans identified people are lesbians, and only start identifying in this way once they reach puberty. ROGD ( rapid onset gender dysphoria). There is no equivalent of the late transitioning, heterosexual, cross dressing woman.

Some posters have railed against an apparent uniformity of thought in the company, but can you not see the uniformity evidenced by posters across these threads

What you are calling uniformity of thought, is the awareness that biology is real; that biology matters; that sex is real and has consequences; and that women don't feel comfortable with males, especially strange males, in their intimate spaces.

It seems to me that the underlying theme here is an inability to accept that we don’t all accept the GC perspective

No! the underlying theme is that you seem not to not accept that there are differences between males and females; between men and women. You do not accept the reality of biology, and so you do not recognise the specific vulnerabilities of the female sex in certain circumstances.

And on top of that you want to enforce the ideology that 'gender' is more real than biology onto everyone else, whether they like it or not; and in the face of scientific & material reality.

I am so proud of you, OP. I am sending virtual bouquets. I am sure that there are people in your workplace who think you are an angel, and that other people are getting their eyes opened by you. You are right--courage matters.

Of myself and my colleagues I’d say we are strong women leading in a very male dominated sector.

But that still means nothing unless you explain your definition of woman. If you’re going purely by gender it would be entirely possible to have a group of ‘strong women’ with XY chromosomes and penises.

Very good post just

@RedtreesRedtrees has refused to answer a single question thats been put to them, which is a shame because I'd like to know how many of their female staff (especially the Top team) they retain after they have children, and how.

How can you be brainwashed into accepting biological reality?

Totally agree with you, @Justhadathought - no argument about sex-based differences.

Gender turns those sex-based differences into an oppressive hierarchy however.

And women/girls are so routinely "othered" in our society that w don't notice it. Until someone like Caroline Criado-Perez points it out.

It seems to me that the underlying theme here is an inability to accept that we don’t all accept the GC perspective. Consequently all you can do is fall back on accusations of misogyny or that I must be a man . Of myself and my colleagues I’d say we are strong women leading in a very male dominated sector. We’re not repressed or subjugated and we do not spend our time agitating, spreading fear and slaying imaginary dragons. Some posters have railed against an apparent uniformity of thought in the company, but can you not see the uniformity evidenced by posters across these threads? They read like you’re brainwashed. I appreciate you dislike the term, but there really is unmerited hysteria in some of the posts here. I believe somebody actually took a quip about interrogation as literal fact! Some of the claims have been even more wild. We will clearly not agree on this so I will wish you the best and leave you to continue the ‘discussion’ amongst yourselves.

This is the fundamental experience of 51% of the population from the moment we're born, and observed to be female

There are sex based differences - it is not all just about gender constructs, though.

For example, there is no female equivalent to the AGP ( autogynephillic) cross-dressing male, for whom transvestitism represents a sexual thrill. Males are disproportionately responsible for 'peeping tom' type activities; for 'flashing and self exposure; for the use of pornography: and for looking at child abuse imagery; for very specific fetishes.

Male sexuality is a lot more visual and dependent on visual clues, than is female sexuality; in most circumstances males find it easier to detach emotionally from sex... These tendencies do not fade away simply by identifying as female, or by wearing feminine clothing.
Paris Lees told of how men travelled the length and breadth of the country to have sex with them...and this was how they raised money for their gender -re-assignment surgery.

That article is incredibly interesting FantaOra thank you.

They are different; they are other

This is the fundamental experience of 51% of the population from the moment we're born, and observed to be female....