Fully outed myself as GC at woke workplace

The thing is though Redtrees most companies only decided to start doing all the enforced pronouns malarkey in the last few years usually after shelling out to stonewall for training

So someone can happily have worked at a company for 20 years and felt they did share their values and then all of a sudden this comes along. Why should they leave? Why should give up a stable job, income, colleagues they like etc to appease the handful of ppl who are so self obsessed they want to dictate how they are referred to when they are not present?

I mean, I appreciate the sentiment behind stating preferred pronouns in signatures etc - trying something to make sure every employee feels welcome and valued and respected at work.

it's just a shame this doesn't extend to women who want to speak up for their rights, and who want to feel respected and valued at work.

A suggestion - compelling people to make a definite public statement on a personal matter which an individual may not yet have come to terms with yet could be seen as harassment and bullying

I know this was posted ages ago, but I think it is a really important point. Surely the only people that putting pronouns in signatures benefits is non trans people who wish to virtue signal. To trans people who aren't out it applies pressure to out themselves or to put a pronoun they are uncomfortable with. For an out trans person it is explicitly stating that they don't pass, and also exposes them to all of the workplace and everyday bullying that transpeople experience. Should people really be required to state their protected characteristics in emails - really what is the benefit?

The fact you make that comment about it being different strikes me as someone who knows little about corporate structures or employment law.

Redtrees, suppose your company decides to implement unisex toilets . A woman pipes and says that she would like female only toilets. She invoked the equality act. Would that constitute expressing gender critical views, and would you want her out of the company? What exactly do you consider to be a gender critical belief?

Do you have a breastfeeding room? Who can use it?

Dido a partnership is a very different kind of business, but obviously you’re entitled to your opinion.

I think when you work in a company you have a grasp of the values and attitudes of the business and of your coworkers. As I said in a PP, amongst my employees there probably are people whose views are at odds with the companies, but they have the sense not to air them. I don’t think it’s difficult to grasp that a person with views at odds with those of the company and who airs them at work is not going to fit in. You cannot be so naive as to think that it would enhance your career prospects at that organisation!

I've encounted Redtrees on other threads and let's just say I'm not convinced they're here to learn anything.

They won't say what they would sack someone for. They won't say whether they think "same-sex attraction is a fetish" is homophobic or not. That would require examining their own beliefs and perhaps seeing inconsistency.

If redtrees is still on this thread, the reason so many people are asking you to clarify isn't as some sort of gotcha or to be mean, it's an attempt to tease out what exactly your beliefs are and how they mightactively affect people's employment. If you don't wish to engage, perhaps consider, even for a minute or two, asking yourself why you can't elaborate on or specify what you actually believe? It's fine to have grey areas - most people do somewhere - but to refuse to try and address these suggests you don't actually care about how your beliefs affect anyone else, particularly oppressed groups.

I expect you know that, though.

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"Bishop I think a fairer comparison would be bigots, racists and homophobes. I won’t have them in my company either and I’d happily see them at a tribunal."

If you really would do this, and I suspect you are all mouth and no trousers, then you would certainly keep the employment lawyers busy and your company would probably go under.

I don't mind using a particular pronoun for someone if they ask me to and it is important to them, it doesn't change the way I treat them, or what sex I think they are.
However if someone forces me to partake in a declaration of preferred pronouns and by extension, gender identity, even though I have none, I am going to refuse to do that.
I have no right to dictate how people talk about me, and my opinion of myself and my rights doesn't change with other people's language, and I am not going to support or add weight to that idea.

Or for an atheist employer to take towards a Catholic employee who thinks abortion is murder?

Or about a Brexit voting employer who objects to an employee who goes on Remain marches?

Or about a Labour voting employer who thinks that a Tory voting employee is responsible for the deaths of people who've fallen through the universal credit net?

Or is it only women employees who're not allowed to have political opinions which differ from your own?

I work in a very 'woke' (boak) place. I have been told I am not allowed to discuss my views on the appropriation of the label of women.
If they do start doing bollocksy pronouns when signing off on emails, I am going to put my pronouns are it.
That might cause people to do a bit of head scratching and maybe even some critical thinking.

What do you mean that your top team is almost half female? What is a female?

Smashing question. Can't wait to see how redtrees answers it.

I think he will.

(Naive as fuck me.)

I'll make it easier for you redtrees as you can't specify any examples yourself - would you sack someone for saying "same-sex attraction is a fetish"?

It’s bloody ridiculous that you are SCARED or FRETFUL to let people know that a man is a man and a woman is a woman and that you identify as the person you were born to be. All this pc crap is getting on my nerves. Be what you want but don’t tell me I’m wrong for being a woman. Utter nonsense if you asked me !

Redtrees, on one hand acknowledges that women exist, and that a woman is female, and also congratulates themselves on employing so many of them in senior roles.........and yet, at the same time, is quite prepared to ride roughshod over their needs for the privacy and dignity and integrity of their sex.

Sounds like a very shallow version of equality to me. totally superficial and without roots in any deeper understanding of the condition of the female sex.

You sound utterly ridiculous. My company does not hate women. My top team is well over half female. There aren’t many companies of comparable size that can say this

And why do you think that having so many 'females' in your team is progressive? Why would that make you progressive?

You sound utterly ridiculous. My company does not hate women. My top team is well over half female. There aren’t many companies of comparable size that can say this

And you sound totally confused. What do you mean that your top team is almost half female? What is a female?

Redtrees so: you are unable to give an example of an opinion that you would sack someone for.
Ok.

I assume you would therefore be unable to include this in any employment policy.

Women who want rights are compared to bigots, racists and homophobes. No. If I got a job at that workplace that kind of anti-woman discrimination and hatred would be stopped

But women aren't real........a woman is anyone who says they are. how can you protect the rights and spaces of a group who do not actually exist in real life......but only in the imagination?

“I'd say your company hates women.”

You sound utterly ridiculous. My company does not hate women. My top team is well over half female. There aren’t many companies of comparable size that can say this.