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Munroe Bergdorf lands big book deal with Bloomsbury

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TornadoOfSouls · 17/07/2020 07:04

Reported rather breathlessly in the Graun

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/17/munroe-bergdorf-receives-landmark-book-deal-for-trans-manifesto

Among other things she’s going to tell us all that the experience being a ‘ciswoman’ has changed over the years. Hmm

‘my intelligence has been undermined, and I’ve been underestimated a lot in a lot of different instances.’

Sounds a bit Dunning-Kruger to me, to be honest.

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dragoncheeselady · 21/07/2020 22:50

Well we could have women speaking for themselves is exclusionary and selfish or women and feminism must be useful to men or else they are worthless but I am sure there are more

IloveJKRowling · 21/07/2020 22:40

Or, indeed, any pair of positive, complimentary adjectives?

Probably not allowed if any man at any time, anywhere in the world, could find it faintly annoying.

Which rule of misogyny are we seeing in action here? Someone remind me?

dolorsit · 21/07/2020 22:38

@yetanotherbeckymumsnet

Can you confirm if this has been added to the special rules for FWR? (I don't know as I can't see the pinned tweet on the app)

Did the deleted posters receive a strike?

Are you going to issue deletions and strikes for posts using this phrase prior to today?

finnmcool · 21/07/2020 22:37

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IloveJKRowling · 21/07/2020 22:37

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IloveJKRowling · 21/07/2020 22:36

Jesus wept. Women saying 'stunning and brave' is banned on Mumsnet.

And they try and claim they're not silencing women.

Here's a tip: if you are deleting women for making a mildly humorous joke about a particular phrase which is used often then you're silencing women.

You're misogynistic.

You're expecting women to walk on eggshells and second guess every single thing that they want to say and decide in advance if it might have a 'tone' or a mild humour that someone, somewhere, someday might disapprove of.

Which stifles women's voices and makes them scared to talk at all.

While on AIBU people directly insult each other with relative impunity.

dolorsit · 21/07/2020 22:32

Courageous and captivating.

Jellyeggs · 21/07/2020 22:24

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hearthwitch · 21/07/2020 22:24

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TinselAngel · 21/07/2020 22:21

Bold and beautiful?

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 21/07/2020 22:16

@ZIGGY7

Is it ok to use radiant and courageous?
Or, indeed, any pair of positive, complimentary adjectives?
dragoncheeselady · 21/07/2020 22:15

How about fabulous and courageous is that allowed. Or perhaps MumsnetHQ could give us another list of banned phrases that only apply to the feminism boards.
Or perhaps just list the rules of misogyny to show us were we are going wrong.
Praise to bewilderness for originally posting them

ZIGGY7 · 21/07/2020 22:03

Is it ok to use radiant and courageous?

TinselAngel · 21/07/2020 21:41

Whilst we've been robbed of the words to describe our experience.

TinselAngel · 21/07/2020 21:37

I think the trans widow's ex's narrative has taken over here ATM- and it's supposed to be a feminist space.

FloralBunting · 21/07/2020 21:19
Angry
Binterested · 21/07/2020 21:13

So not only can we not correctly sex people or refer to them accurately as male people who identify themselves a certain way, we are also not permitted to use words this group use about themselves. Even when those people have been abusive, homophobic and misogynist. Good to know MNHQ has women’s rights front and centre. How should Tinsel refer to the narrative whereby the transwidows are ignored while their newly feminine husbands are applauded for their courage?

2Rebecca · 21/07/2020 20:39

I think Bergdorf should be free to write a book. Will be interesting to see if people will buy it, a bit like no one buying tickets for the changing named Canadian cyclist's lectures. FWR seem more excited about it than anyone else atm.

TinselAngel · 21/07/2020 19:49

@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet

Hi all. Just dropping by to give some clarity on some of the deletions on this thread. We think the 'stunning and brave' phrase tips too far towards being a transphobic trope and we're minded to delete it when it's reported. Thanks.
How is it transphobic? It's an attitude that Trans Widows have to deal with all the time?
SerenityNowwwww · 21/07/2020 19:04

They haven’t commented on Rachel have they? I’d be interested in their take on that. Now if their book was about race then I would be vaguely interested.

PamDenick · 21/07/2020 18:17

Munroe is to womanhood what Rachel Dolezal is to the black community.
Offensive.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 21/07/2020 18:13

Yeah but you had a tone when you typed it bininterested

And they have a...ermmm a different tone

MsPeachh · 21/07/2020 18:11

Wonder if Munroe will be discussing lesbian issues? Munroe has certainly been outspoken about them in the past...

Binterested · 21/07/2020 18:06

These are their words Becky. I didn’t invent that trope. They did. If they’ve overreached with their self descriptions take it up with the external moderators.

Meanwhile womanphobic is fine. I doubt you’d ban ActionAid despite them saying there’s no such thing as a biological female body.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 21/07/2020 17:43

@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet

Hi all. Just dropping by to give some clarity on some of the deletions on this thread. We think the 'stunning and brave' phrase tips too far towards being a transphobic trope and we're minded to delete it when it's reported. Thanks.
Really?! We really aren't allowed to lampoon the "stunning and brave" comment?

It's mocked because it is thrown out with merry abandon.