Munroe Bergdorf lands big book deal with Bloomsbury

Fair point itsallgoingtobefine

Generally speaking in S&B and AIBU women are being derisory about women, not men...

I said jolly lovely on a thread

And a poster has taken offence...didn’t mean it offensively

What's the point of AIBU?

In fact style and beauty would struggle as well

And oh my goodness the brexit board!

Why aren't we allowed to be derisory?

"Isn't MNHQ wonderful"

Am I being derisory there? Or sarcastic? Or is that from the heart on thanks for hosting the only mainstream place on the internet where trans issues can be discussed.

You really, really can't police "tone" MNHQ.

when we see it used in a derisory way we're likely to delete it.

Why aren't we allowed to be derisory?

However, we do think 'stunning and brave' has become a phrase, like 'peak trans

Hang on - so we can't say peak trans either? Since when?

I feel very sorry for the mods, it must be very hard to read some words that have a meaning, and then divine through some super power what the person writing those words actually meant. It's kind of like when a man despite being a man is actually a woman. Or are they a man. Or am I being restricted by a bigoted binary.

Fuck knows. It's very hard to have a discussion when words don't mean what you think they do, or maybe they do, but you don't know until someone helpful explains what the words you said actually meant.

The problem with having that thought process though is that it then becomes difficult to separate out the genuine from the ironic. One Mumsnetter was permanently banned when a genuine post was construed as being ironic and therefore offensive. There is no doubt the external monitors who report anything and everything they might take offence to will see this as another opportunity to bring down the ban hammer on unsuspecting posters.

All I would say is please consider who is reporting the post and would politely ask that careful consideration is given to context and intention before deleting/striking/banning someone. Mumsnet without sarcasm and irony wouldn’t be any fun at all.

Tropes are banned on Mumsnet? Can we still say "naice"?

Considering the horrible treatment of the Baroness initiated by the person named on the thread as a result of a couple of misplaced words I'm not really surprised this thread is being picked over.

My preference is that their various activities are ignored. This book is of zero interest to feminism going on the evidence in the public domain so I can't see the point discussing it. Not worth the attention

S&B has always been a useful shorthand for the double standard applied to the - ahem - different kinds of women. It is something that has been woven into the narrative of trans ideology since the very beginning, and which harms women. An ordinary, old fashioned kind of women doing something is ordinary and old fashioned (or maybe not, if that thing is wearing hyper-sexualised clothing / posing in bondage gear etc.) A woman by the newly expanded definition doing that same thing is lauded (on social media, by the press, the BBC etc) as S&B.

We need to be able to talk about this, just as we need to be able to talk about all the double standards that constitute rank sexism.

Certainly B&s is not written down. That was banned as the words were being typed. There is no way of knowing what someone out there will take offence at - their own words used back at them is offensive apparently.

F word is banned. G word is banned. N word is banned (no, not that one, the other one).

I have no idea what all these banned words are (or PT) - are they written down somewhere? I've checked the rules and no clearer. I still think banning 'trans-identified' when talking about a person - I am talking about the phrase here and not a person to be clear - is madness since the whole ideology is based on self- identification. And the rules talk about identifying with the opposite sex not with being trans per se - but lots of people don't and are non-binary.

But so be it, at least it's written down somewhere, so I won't use trans-identified in relation to a person on here.

I hope I don't get deleted for discussing the rules, now that would be Orwellian.

mild irony is beyond the pale ...

Can we abbreviate and just say BS

That would work for me because there's another phrase for which BS is an abbreviation which also applies to this situation.

Sorry for being so cryptic but women aren't allowed to talk freely on here any more.

I believe PT phrase is also banned? And related P words. Anything vaguely pertaining to the summit of a large hillock.

F word is banned.
G word is banned.
N word is banned (no, not that one, the other one).
B and S are now banned. Are they only banned as a pair or can they be used singularly?

@MNHQ we really need clarification on this. Is the phrase "stunning and brave" now banned on FWR? Is it banned on other areas of the site? Will posters be given a strike for the use of this phrase? If so, is it in the pinned notice? When was the decision made to ban the phrase? What is the rationale behind the banning of these words?

I think this really is a new level of nonsense. Words are banned on someone else’s say so - they may use these words freely. We may not. MNHQ kowtow immediately.

And who knows what will be allowed through the censor from here on in? Have I already trespassed? Is kowtow allowed? Trespass? Censor ?

Which other group of people gets this treatment ? You don’t censor like this on any other grounds. Not even race.

Can I say that transpeople are clearly ‘most oppressed ‘? Again their terminology - presumably if B & S is banned this must be too.

Why not just issue us with a list of approved words. That would be simpler.

I mean it's all terribly counter productive, isn't it. Are words TRAs use so inappropriate or questionable in some way that they have to keep taking them back pronto because they've become 'a trope' or a negative reflection.

Remember #NoDebate? Where's that gone? Into the dustbin of own goals?

And now S & B? Out it goes.

T**f, already banned here, is fast heading that way. Even a judge has condemned it.

'Cis' is almost universally rejected.

And as for 'transphobic' - what did that woman call it? hackneyed as fuck?

In the current climate of the government taking a dimmer and dimmer view of cancel culture and realising the pressure to uphold free speech, reporting women for talking just increases all the negative attention that you'd think TRAs had learnt to avoid.

Terrifically Incredibly Marvellous?