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Objections to cis

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cheeseismydownfall · 17/07/2020 06:29

Really good blog post here by Helen Saxby

notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/2020/07/16/objections-to-cis/

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CatandtheFiddle · 17/07/2020 17:18

This has been my concern, and anger, about the current situation, and I keep saying so:

There is a faction of society trying to fundamentally re-define what it is to be a woman, to be female.

And they want to do it without consulting actual women.

This is erasure.

As WPUK say "Nothing about us, without us."

Fallingirl · 17/07/2020 17:00

Females are not a subset of 'woman'.

It also makes female a subset of male, as there is not allowed to be any aspect of womanhood that is inaccessible to males. If we try to argue that only ’cis’’ women x, y or z, we will be shut down and accused of transphobia.

Z0rr0 · 17/07/2020 15:03

Because I don't need to be defined as 'not Trans'. Which is what 'cis' comes from.
Its only use is to mean 'on the opposite side' geographically as in Trans-Penine Railway, cis would mean 'on the other side of the Penines'.
When trans is used as in transform, translate, there is no 'cis-late' or 'cis-form', it's the original form, untransformed, untranslated.
Trans of humans is the new status of someone who was previously untransitioned. It doesn't need a word, it's the default.
So yeah, it's not Trans is the default and 'not Trans' / cis is the other, it's people and Trans people. Cis is total nonsense.

highame · 17/07/2020 14:33

BaseDrops

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BaseDrops · 17/07/2020 14:28

I’m a feminist for many reasons but a core reason is because I reject the gender role imposed on me due to my sex. I will never agree to be called cis. Anyone referring to me as cis is imposing an incorrect gender identity on me and I will not let it pass.

Who has decided that if you haven’t gone non-binary or identified as trans that equals identifying with sex aligned gender roles? It’s incredibly othering, assumptive and high handed.

I’m so bloody sick and tired of this. Woman have had to fight to be recognised as people because we are female. Now we have a new bunch telling us what women are when we are still fighting the original lot.

Why is the meaning of woman and what we are allowed to do/be/have/own being dictated to us? AGAIN.

“Nothing about us without us.”It’s more like “nothing about us without everyone but us”.

ContentiousOne · 17/07/2020 07:47

Yes.

Females are not a subset of 'woman'.

highame · 17/07/2020 07:37

There is no definition of ‘ciswomen’ in law. ‘Ciswomen’ is not a protected characteristic. Choosing to use the definition ‘cis’ turns ‘woman’ into a two-sex category for which the law cannot deliver single-sex protection. Arguably, that’s the whole point of it. The protected category of sex becomes unworkable, and with it women’s basic rights. Distinct rights for women become impossible if ‘women’ includes ‘men’. If the use of the word ‘cis’ becomes normalised, then as females we will always be yolked to males.

This is a great article but it is gutting to realise the absolute consequences of what has been happening by stealth, in our names.

I am not, nor ever will be cis. I did not fight for women's rights to see them trampled on even more aggressively than in the past. This is a real assault on me and I take that personally

LongPauseNoReply · 17/07/2020 06:41

Very clear explanation of why we need to actively reject the cis label. I’ve sent the link to teen DD who uses the term despite the many discussions we’ve had over it.