Easy as PIE – the rebranding of paedophilia

Just like to chime in that as the parent of a sexually abused child I've read the body keeps the score by Bessel van der Kolk cover to cover. It's not quack science. It's all very main stream and well known therapies and was recommended by our local child sexual support pet org.

As a parent of a child directly impacted by what he was talking about it was extremely helpful to read. Please don't let someone put you off reading this book, it really was very useful to me.

I agree with Kantastic. The Body Keeps the Score is a really mainstream book. I’ve just read it and the recommended types of therapy in it are normal.

Funnily enough i just bought this book as part of my reading around somatic responses to trauma. I’ll report back when I’ve read it but I am very cautious about dismissing material /authors by association : “Babette Rothschild’s books and training courses are loved by various sex cultists who claim to be able to recover memories of sexual abuse”

Rothschild and P Levine, for his work on trauma, have been recommended by my extremely experienced and respected supervisor, so forgive me if I retain an open mind...

it’s too easy to lose sight of the main issue-fighting the normalisation of paedophilia- because we have a personal or kneejerk reaction to individuals concerned. I have long revered Peter Tatchell for his fight against clause 28 back in the day, but I have to get past that and see /hear what he is saying now...

It's like arguing that we should destigmatize murder and cannibalism. No, let's not do that.

Scary TED talk here on how it’s a sexual orientation and we shouldn’t call them out as that will drive it underground.

I've seen MAP accounts on Twitter. Very disturbing.

These are all facts:

MAPS are real
There are MAPS on twitter
Twitter is tolerant of MAPS
MAPS get people suspended for criticising them

With all that in mind, I can well believe that this woman has been subjected to abuse by these people, regardless of what other things she may have said and done.

Thanks for the warning though Hoodathunkit - definitely we need to keep keeping in mind the sources of things.

And Noami Wolf is an even bigger nut than I thought!

notorious quack Bessel van der Kolk

I really feel I have to interject something here. Bessel van der Kolk is not a quack. He's very well-respected. The idea that trauma is stored in the body isn't even controversial; it's a truism because it's true. As far as I'm aware he has no connection with neo-tantric movements other than the very broad umbrella of "bodywork."

I don't know if there is any point in making this interjection but I wouldn't like for someone who is looking for resources to deal with trauma to be put off looking into van der Kolk's work by this.

Goodness hoodathunkit you know a lot about this topic. Is there anyone trying to prevent this who isn’t dodgy.

Just a quick revision of my above post

Lousada failed in his attempt to get Wolf to have his "yoni massage"

for some reason some of the text disappeared when I C&Ped the text

I am concered that this gives a false impression of Wolf's "session" with him

fuller C&P below

"There, once again, we got into a negotiation: he was intent on a yoni massage, and I — reader, it was such a potentially sexual situation, with no lotuses, no vague deniability — I couldn’t go there. I was in bed with an attractive strange man and there was no way to pretend that what he was proposing would not be sex. The nice Jewish girl in me once again drew a line.

“Can’t we do some ... body work?” I asked.

He looked insulted. “Yoni work is what I do,” he said, with professional pride. Finally we agreed: he would work with me non-sexually and I would keep my shirt and sarong on.

Well: within 30 seconds I was in a state of — yes — bliss. Within five minutes I was laughing and within 10 minutes I was in an altered state. What was he doing? Nothing except tracing the meridian lines — the energy pathways — of my body with the tips of his fingers."

Wolf went on to write her much derided book "Vagina" following her session with Lousada

a review here is interesting
www.newstatesman.com/blogs/sci-tech/2012/09/naomi-wolfs-vagina-full-bad-science-about-brain

Someone who shares Dillon's enthusiasm for body psychotherapy generally and the work of Peter Levine and Babette Rothschild specifically is none other than Mike Lousada

archive.is/vbIl3

remember him?

He's the one that changed the life and personal trajectory of former feminist Naomi Wolf via his yoni massaging services

some text from a Times article reproduced on one of Lousada's websites (via the archive)

"What is his modus operandi, I asked.

“We start with massaging the body ... we move into working on the yoni. First we work externally. When it’s appropriate I would ask if it’s okay to enter with my fingers. This is a sacred space. It is the holy of holies of your body. No one may enter without your permission. I ask, ‘Goddess, may I enter?’

“If I get the consent, I check with the yoni to see. I place my fingers at the entrance and if she is ready to receive me, it will draw me in.”

He continued that he advised men never to enter if “the yoni doesn’t say yes too”. I had to admit I thought that would be good advice to give to young men as part of their basic education.

Does he ever have intercourse with his clients? “I don’t generally have intercourse with my clients unless it is extremely therapeutic.”

He re-stated that he generally worked with his hands.

Within 30 seconds I was in a state of — yes — bliss. Within five minutes I was laughing and within 10 minutes I was in an altered state Do clients usually have orgasms? “Generally,” he replied, “but that’s not the goal. I have three types of client. [The first is] women who come to me because they are not happy with their relationships, with their own masculine or feminine. They are over-identified with the masculine. They yearn for a masculine man but are not attracting that because they are in their masculine themselves.”"

source:

archive.is/sDpZA

be very careful everyone

due diligence and careful examination of the facts is required

What I will say is that, in my extensive personal experience of these issue, many people who claim to have been sexually abused by cults have indeed been sexually abused by cults. Just the cults that abuse them are not satanic cults of the "Devil Rides Out" kind, they are nasty, sexually predatory neo-tantric and pseudo-shamanic cults.

If you cannot remember being abused, this is because the abuse was so traumatic that you repressed the memory. In fact not being able to remember sexual abuse is a sure sign that you were abused.

I just want to add that I have been on the receiving end of quack therapy from a notorious SRA promoting therapist who invited me to believe that I had been abused by a satanic cult because

1. I could not remember the abuse - a sure sign of being abused
2. I did not believe the accounts of another person in the therapy group who had "recovered" memories of being abused by a satanic cult - a sure sign that I must have experienced SRA myself and repressed the memories
3. I once wore different to usual clothing to the session ( I was meeting a friend and wanted to look nice) - a sure sign I had DID

I have very extensicve personal experience of this nonsense

Sorry, have to go for now - more later

I have read the article, via the archive of course

I find it fascianting that somone who has been on my radar for some time, has appeared on a communist news source, "exposing" issues that, let's face it, many readers here have posted about and known about for some time.

She may very well have experienced an abusive twitter pile on (nobody would deny that this is awful) but we have to be cautious and curious about what this is all really about, especially given the levels of manipuation and fake news about sexual abuse, child sexual abuse and SRA.

In many ways Jacqui Dillon's story is similar to that of Carol Felstead aka Carol Myers, a nurse who suffered from psychosis and who was treated via some notorious "trauma specialist" quacks. .

Carol got fed up with her various "trauma specialist" abusers and expressed a wish to return to her loving family, the same family who she had previously accused of being murdering, sexually abusive satanists.

Not long afterwards Carol died in extremely suspicious circumstances.

All need to proceed with extreme caution here

I can post much more about the wider issues when I have a moment

Dillon’s “resources” page on her personal website recommends the book The Body Remembers, authored by the notorious quack Bessel van der Kolk, about whom I have posted previously. Van der Kolk is one of a number of extremely controversial “trauma specialists” (many with links to disgusting neo-tantric sex cults) who claim that memories of non-recent sexual abuse, including satanic ritual abuse, can be recovered via “body therapy” (sometimes a euphemism for "yoni massage"). In my extensive bitter personal experience of contact with these quacks, they are responsible for alienating vulnerable people with mental health problems from their families and exploiting them in a variety of odious ways.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191223134221/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/trauma/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20191223134221/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/trauma/

Dillon’s webpage on “abuse, trauma, healing and recovery” recommends Dillon’s webpage titled “ Abuse, Trauma, Healing & Recovery” recommends several organisations notorious for promoting conspiracy theories about satanic ritual abuse. One of these organisations, the ISSTD, is also significantly involved in promoting bizarre theories about non-binary and multiple gender identities.

The same page recommends some extremely controversial books such as “The Courage to Heal” - an utterly batshit tome authored by new age charlatans that posits the theory that is you experience medically unexplained symptoms or fail in various areas of your life, or have done bad things that you cannot reconcile with how you like to see yourself, it is because you were sexually abused as a child. If you cannot remember being abused, this is because the abuse was so traumatic that you repressed the memory. In fact not being able to remember sexual abuse is a sure sign that you were abused.

Also listed as recommended books are

Levine, P. (1997). Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma – The Innate Capacity to Transform Overwhelming Experiences. New York: North Atlantic Books.

Levine, P. (2008). Healing Trauma: A Pioneering Program for Restoring the Wisdom of Your Body. Boulder, CO: Sounds True Inc.

Peter Levine is an extremely controversial author, beloved of new agers, yogis and mindfulness advocates, who claims to be able to recover memories of trauma, including non-recent sexual abuse, via body psychotherapy. Because the body remembers what the mind cannot. Or something. <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191223134221/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/trauma/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20191223134221/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/trauma/
also recommended is the book
Rothschild, B. (2000). The Body Remembers: The psychophysiology of trauma and trauma treatment. London: W. W. Norton & Co.

another book claiming that repressed memories of sexual abuse can be recovered via “body psychotherapy”. Babette Rothschild’s books and training courses are loved by various sex cultists who claim to be able to recover memories of sexual abuse via “yoni massage”.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191223134221/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/trauma/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20191223134221/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/trauma/

For any readers who doubt that Dillon’s life and work are very far down the rabbit hole of SRA conspiracies, the final proof of the pudding is in Dillon’s page about “Ritual Abuse” in which she recommends a number of quacks, charlatans and abusive organisations promoting SRA narratives

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191222021923/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/ritual-abuse/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20191222021923/www.jacquidillon.org/resources/ritual-abuse/

OP

I have not yet read the article, but Jacqui Dillon is very well known to me as a promoter of recovering repressed memories of satanic ritual abuse via body psychotherapy.

I have a lot of notes about her and about her connection to some extremely abusive organisations (including the ISSTD - a significant promoted of bizarre theories about non-binary, queer and multiple gender identities), will post in a moment.

For the avoidance of doubt - I am not saying that Dillon is a bad person.

I have read her website extensively and have also watched her videos and made notes.

My provisional hypothesis is that Dillon is a vulnerable adult who has been brainwashed and is being manipulated by some very abusive quacks.

I would be very open to sharing lots of evidence to back up my claims, however I am very behind with various tasks and also this is a huge subject.

Will post some evidential links in a moment, have to check my notes

I am increasingly of the opinion that if twitter were shut down the world would be a much better place. Great article, thanks OP.

That is such a powerful article this is an issue which deserves much wider coverage. Good on the Morning Star for publishing this.

I find it staggering that this is Twitter’s actual policy. That is obviously why you can be banned for mentioning grooming.

Absolutely agree it doesn’t need to be destigmatised. She’s incredibly brave, there seem to be no depths these disgusting men will not sink to

Brave woman on many fronts. Paedophilia does not need to be destigmatised.