Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tim Farron, ex- Lib Dem leader backs JKR

39 replies

Xanthangum · 16/07/2020 22:37

"Take the recent Twitter storm surrounding JK Rowling. The first people to defend her should be the liberals. Not because they agree with her — they may think she is utterly wrong — but because liberalism fights for the rights of those with different views to be heard. It takes time to listen, seeks to understand other perspectives and only then — if both sides maintain their positions — agree to disagree respectfully."

Well.

From here: medium.com/@tim_farron/this-liberal-will-defend-real-liberalism-f45aa689cfbf

OP posts:
bitheby · 16/07/2020 23:55

Good for him. I met him once too. I didn't vote for him for leader - I wanted Norman Lamb - but I respect him a lot. He is backing Ed. I agree with the poster who said that Layla would be a disaster.

BadgertheBodger · 16/07/2020 23:55

I think Tim Farron is great. Good constituency MP who actually has (had? I’ve moved and can’t remember if he’s still in post) a decent grasp on reality and does try hard on behalf of his area. I don’t agree with his views at all on equal marriage but if there were more decent people in the world who can talk through an idea and agree to disagree then everything wouldn’t look half as bleak.

FloralBunting · 16/07/2020 23:52

Oh, for the mind melting powers of the woke where one could get rid of 'problematic language' and erase just one phrase from the lexicon - 'I identify as'.

I get so bloody Yoda when I hear it now. You either are or you aren't. There is no 'identify'.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2020 23:50

Oh the many TRAs in the Lib Dems are going to be calling for his head.

Apileofballyhoo · 16/07/2020 23:47

At least somebody is making some attempt to say what things are and aren't. If we could have a few essays on what right wing means, what communism means, what left wing means, what socialism means, what fascism means, what libertarian means and so on, maybe we'd get somewhere.

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2020 23:44

I know. I call it having a 'Liberal identity' rather than being a liberal.

To see just 1 doing a proper explanation and defence of liberalism is better than I thought the situation was though! Half a spine is better than no spine.

FloralBunting · 16/07/2020 23:36

I think they probably have, tbh. Most people I speak to about liberalism now, when they describe it, are not describing liberalism at all, they are describing licence.

That is both people who call themselves liberals and people who are their opponents.

Seriously, labels mean fuck all these days.

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2020 23:32

Oh I'm sure we will see some fauning on this one to appease his 'fanclub' at LGBT libdems and the radical association.

It is nice to see this at least. Someone in the party who has vocally talked about what liberalism is (and isn't). I think that's the first time I've seen it in about 3 years from a LD.

I thought they'd all forgotten what liberalism is!

TeaAndStrumpets · 16/07/2020 23:23

Already a comment chiding him for having compassion for JKR rather than the poor marginalised transfolk.
Way to totally miss the point!

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2020 23:11

Farron has always struck me as a proper liberal type. Worth remembering he has fallen foul of his party's puritans before too.

Always had time for him. Met him once. Nice chap.

Will be interesting to see how long it is before he backtracks (I am expecting him to do some sort of backtrack - cos of his 'nice guy' persona - but actually I think he's very much in the JKR camp from his previous comments on liberalism with a small l)

Interesting timing given the party leadership election going on.

Layla will be a disaster for the party if she gets the nod and I suspect Farron knows this too...

CloudsCoveredTheSky · 16/07/2020 23:11

@Al1Langdownthecleghole it's not really "be kind", it's classic liberalism. Live and let live, let everyone be heard. Be kind is more like be quiet (unless we agree with everything you say.)

FloralBunting · 16/07/2020 23:07

This is what liberalism is supposed to be and always was before. Farron knows this better than most, given how he was cancelled so comprehensively for his personal beliefs on equal marriage. He held a classic liberal position of believing something privately based in his religion, but understanding that his personal beliefs could not override the consensus of society, which had been reached via rational debate and evidence.

I don't even agree with his personal beliefs about equal marriage rights, but I still thought he was a man of integrity who did not seek the detriment of anyone in his politics. But he thought-crimed and if you saw how his personal beliefs were utterly unacceptable even though he was a decent sort, and you didn't see the obsessive cancel culture witch hunts of today coming, then I don't know what to tell you.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 16/07/2020 22:53

I'm hearing a bit of a "be kind" undertone in the description of the gentler, Christian way, but at least he finishes with Orwell.

dangerrabbit · 16/07/2020 22:38

Good for him!