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Former LibDem MP Lynne Featherstone

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Xanthangum · 15/07/2020 22:12

I won't link to PN, but Lynne Featherstone has been waving her woke carpet around, including this:

The fear raised by a small but vocal minority of cis women that somehow trans women who self-identify in future under an amended Gender Recognition Act will enable men pretending to be women to get into single-sex spaces to do cis women harm is dangerous, unkind, unreasonable and wrong. Any man pretending to be a woman to do that is a male criminal not a trans woman.

In other words, increased risk for women is a price worth paying.

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GrimDamnFanjo · 16/07/2020 01:06

And this is why I left.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 16/07/2020 01:04
  1. Surely it is transphobic to nullify somebody's gender identity. Trans ideology says there is no debate, if you say you are trans, everyone, inlcuding Lynne Feathersone, must accept that without question. That's the point of self ID. Under this ideology, she cannot decide that a man is pretending to be a woman, if he says he is a woman.
  1. Surely it is transphobic to nullify somebody's gender identity just because they do something you don't agree with; otherwise, all GC feminists should be able to nullify Pip Bunce's identity without debate.
  1. What if a transwoman who has "lived as a woman", has a GRC certificate etc attacks a woman? The implication is LF's words is that transwomen don't commit violent acts against women. Is she claiming they have an automatic presumption of innocence (quite apart from the usual innocent until proven guilty assumption) that means they will not even be under suspicion and investigated?
  1. What other criminal acts nullify your trans status, or is it just attacking women? What is a transwoman attacks a man challenging their presence in his daughter's changing room? What about possessing child abuse images?
  1. Did child abusing priests suddenly stop being priests when they were caught, or did we have to accept that they were in fact priests, just not very nice ones?
IloveJKRowling · 15/07/2020 22:30

t's the equivalent of not being allowed to lock your front door until you've been burgled. And even then only against your specific burglar.

Yes, this.

The libdems (or former libdems) are simply DESPERATE to throw women and girls under the bus aren't they?

Xanthangum · 15/07/2020 22:28

Where do they want this to end up? Telling a young girl who is being assaulted in a supermarket toilet that her fear of this enormous hairy man is unkind, unreasonable and wrong?

I get that there are many many genuine, non-predatory trans people out there. There are also many genuine, non-predatory teachers. But it isn't unkind or unreasonable for teachers to be vetted.

How is this so hard?

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nauticant · 15/07/2020 22:28

Those women who do get assaulted will not doubt feel reassured that the person who assaulted them was not a transwoman but was in fact a male criminal.

Those women who are worried about the possibiilty of assault can likewise be reassured that they're facing assault by the "right" kind of abusers.

IloveJKRowling · 15/07/2020 22:27

The fear raised by a small but vocal minority of cis women that somehow trans women who self-identify in future under an amended Gender Recognition Act will enable men pretending to be women to get into single-sex spaces to do cis women harm is dangerous, unkind, unreasonable and wrong. Any man pretending to be a woman to do that is a male criminal not a trans woman.

How do we tell the difference between men who are male criminals pretending to be a woman and transwomen before they've committed their crimes, physically and mentally hurting a woman or girl? Are we just accepting that these crimes will happen and women and girls are collateral damage?

Also, who decides what harm is? My pubescent daughter would feel shaken to her core if she saw a male in a space she was changing in believing it to be single sex. I'd say that was harm to her sense of safety, dignity and fairness. It would also harm her ability to participate in public life as - knowing my daughter as I do - she probably would then steer clear of any activity requiring she use facilities that could be unisex (probably especially if they were lying about that unisex status and labelled as single sex).

JemimaShore · 15/07/2020 22:26

From memory she's the one who decreed that anyone not in favour of gender neutral toilets was not welcome in the Lib Dems, and certainly not a feminst.

Again, jog on, Lynne. Feminism is for the emancipation of females - and is nothing to do with males who want to identify as women (as in he role that society has constructed that a woman should be).

Wimbund · 15/07/2020 22:24

She has form. There are previous threads on her so called "uber feminism".

JemimaShore · 15/07/2020 22:21

She can fuck off with her "cis" - that's misgendering me which is worse than violence.

JellySlice · 15/07/2020 22:20

Any man pretending to be a woman to do that is a male criminal not a trans woman

Yes, we know he'd be a male criminal. Unfortunately we wouldn't find that out until after he had committed his crimes.

And until then we're being told we have to welcome males into female spaces and not safeguard them. It's the equivalent of not being allowed to lock your front door until you've been burgled. And even then only against your specific burglar.

highame · 15/07/2020 22:14

That's why she's a former MP

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