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Action Aid - no such thing as a biological female

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Apileofballyhoo · 15/07/2020 16:48

Has this been posted already? It's from an email they sent. I saw it on Twitter so I'll be back with links.

Action Aid - no such thing as a biological female
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Spero · 18/07/2020 23:33

I read that as them admitting they hadn't thought about how to reconcile their agreed policy with the work they actually do, not that they hadn't agreed a policy. Just not agreed the message.

Clearly the people responding to the supporters emails had been given very clear instructions and doubled down in their second response, albeit they didn't repeat the biology bullshit.

I think it's about a disconnect between what they see plays well with certain sections of the Western Woke and what life is like on the ground for women in poverty. I think they just thought they would get some woke cookies and plaudits, they weren't prepared for a backlash and empty platitudes is all we now get.

OldCrone · 18/07/2020 22:32

It is policy set at the highest level - Maya went through all the internal documents in her blog post.

And yet in their statement yesterday, they seem to contradict that by saying that they don't yet have a policy:

We take the topic of inclusion very seriously; however, trustees have not yet had the opportunity to discuss a trans inclusion policy in relation to the organisation’s charitable mission working with women and girls in the world’s poorest countries.

www.actionaid.org.uk/latest-news/actionaid-uk-trustees-statement-on-trans-inclusion

So who was involved in writing the trans inclusion policy that Maya quoted? How long has that been in force? Why weren't the trustees consulted?

SerenityNowwwww · 18/07/2020 21:51

It demonstrates an absolute lack of judgement and common sense.

Spero · 18/07/2020 19:42

@SerenityNowwwww

In which case - even if they backtrack, they can’t be trusted.
Sadly, I agree. It's clear evidence of the institutional capture which has been the goal for about 30 years now, so its well entrenched. I think our only hope is to keep challenging the legality of this; they won't be swayed by passionate arguments and threats to cancel donations, they just think we are bigots and They Are Right.

What this mass hysteria needs is a good cold bucket of legal water.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 18/07/2020 18:26

even if they backtrack, they can’t be trusted.

Exactly.

totalnamechanger · 18/07/2020 18:24

Thank you. I’ve cancelled a 25 year old direct debit.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/07/2020 18:16

In which case - even if they backtrack, they can’t be trusted.

Spero · 18/07/2020 18:08

@SerenityNowwwww

It’s the 14 year old social media intern - it has to be! The visual says women and girls but the copy can’t bring itself to use the words. They just can’t help themselves can they?
I am afraid not. It is policy set at the highest level - Maya went through all the internal documents in her blog post.
Coyoacan · 18/07/2020 17:48

I wonder honestly how long it will be before developing world people get forced to sit through first world white organisation lectures about gender ideology and the non existence of biology before being allowed to get the services/resources those organisations provide

I'm sure that is already happening.

The Zapatistas have had to sit through so many lectures on different topics from "enlightened Europeans, North Americans and even people from Mexico City"

FreddoFrogAddict · 18/07/2020 17:29

@Michelleoftheresistance

It's being said more and more plainly, to be 'pro trans' you have to be emphatically, wholly anti female.

Even mentioning women, at all, never mind caring about their rights, is anti trans 'hatred', a 'good' person hates and oppresses females. It's that insane.

'Trans rights' means the elimination of female rights. That's truly what it means. The more this is owned in full public sight, the better.

Your observation that, on the path we now find ourselves on, a good person hates and oppresses women, brought this Aldus Huxley quote to mind.....

"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats."
Aldous Huxley

Apileofballyhoo · 18/07/2020 17:03

People who have periods isn't even there to include FTM transgender people. It's to avoid upsetting MTF transgender people who might feel left out.

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SerenityNowwwww · 18/07/2020 14:53

It’s the 14 year old social media intern - it has to be! The visual says women and girls but the copy can’t bring itself to use the words. They just can’t help themselves can they?

QueenAnnesHat · 18/07/2020 14:51

This appeared on my FB timeline this morning. Note 'people' who have periods. However, clicking on the link brings up a page on AA's website that talks exclusively about women and girls. Left hand/right hand?

Action Aid - no such thing as a biological female
Standardy · 18/07/2020 13:28

The UK has a long history over the past few centuries of sending over privileged and crassly insensitive and superior people to the developing world to lecture them on their backward ideas and to drag them into the proper faiths

Yep, this. We aren't the only country guilty of it, but it needs to stop.

DickKerrLadies · 18/07/2020 13:25

I wonder when the trustees will get around to having their meeting where they discuss whether women exist or not.

littlbrowndog · 18/07/2020 12:16

They are playing weird ideological games

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littlbrowndog · 18/07/2020 12:04

The rolling back of women’s right. Wholesale

That’s what this is

It’s insane just insane

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/07/2020 11:38

MN used to get cross about the Christmas shoeboxes lecturing at kids about religion and trying to convert them before giving them Christmas presents.

I wonder honestly how long it will be before developing world people get forced to sit through first world white organisation lectures about gender ideology and the non existence of biology before being allowed to get the services/resources those organisations provide.

The UK has a long history over the past few centuries of sending over privileged and crassly insensitive and superior people to the developing world to lecture them on their backward ideas and to drag them into the proper faiths. Plus ca change.

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/07/2020 11:35

It's being said more and more plainly, to be 'pro trans' you have to be emphatically, wholly anti female.

Even mentioning women, at all, never mind caring about their rights, is anti trans 'hatred', a 'good' person hates and oppresses females. It's that insane.

'Trans rights' means the elimination of female rights. That's truly what it means. The more this is owned in full public sight, the better.

Datun · 18/07/2020 11:31

It's interesting that this is a very specific charity dealing with extreme sex discrimination in other countries.

They are unlikely to be able to get away with the wishy-washy categorisation that eg Tampax manufacturers in this country can.

The women they deal with are quite clearly oppressed on the basis of their biology.

They are never going to be able to square the circle.

Because if they include transwomen and transgirls in order to adhere to the ideology, they have to exclude transmen and transboys.

That they are unlikely to come across trans anyone, is now irrelevant, as they have rashly tied themselves to the rules.

They either commit to the ideology and exclude biological women because of it, or they include biological women in flat denial of gender ideology.

It's so stupid.

And the worst of it is I bet the cognitive dissonance and clear conflict of rights won't be the thing that grabs their attention. It will just be word salady damage limitation all the way.

SarahTancredi · 18/07/2020 10:53

Suddenly we don't quite look like hysterical liars do we.

With all these people and organisations so desperate to not associate themselves with women they have literally jumped to the extreme but highly predictable end result which is complete denial of basic facts. Its almost funny. I mean I dislike donald trump but I'm.not gonna tweet grass is purple just becuase he said it was green and i dont want to be seen agreeing with him.

Considering the constant denial theres any conflict with womens rights they arent doing a very good job of backing up their claims if they are having to deny reality in all forms to try and prove it.

DickKerrLadies · 18/07/2020 10:36

Yes, what exactly about 'believing' that sex exists is anti-trans?

Even posters on here who believe that GC feminists are 'anti-trans' say that it's not transphobic to say that people can't change sex - so I genuinely don't get it.

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CourtneyLurve · 18/07/2020 10:29

What the absolute fuck at the 'Anti-trans campaigners' label in that Telegraph article. The personal politics of the author should be reserved for opinion pieces.

Arborea · 18/07/2020 10:15

@RedToothbrush - well done on such a detailed piece of research - I've spotted a few people discussing it on Twitter (although some getting confused and not seeing behind the 70% going to charitable activities).

It will be interesting to see how the role of charities in public life develops over time - I had thought that one of the (largely unspoken) ideologies behind austerity was that it intended to remodel the role of the State and push a lot of what had previously been assumed to be State responsibilities onto the Third Sector. 12 years on, with the UK now in the grip of a pandemic, almost certain imminent Depression and with Brexit swiftly approaching it is fascinating (and frightening) to contemplate a new ideology in Downing Street which is at best ambivalent towards the role of the voluntary sector.