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The Guardian job cuts

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MummBraTheEverLeaking · 15/07/2020 15:11

twitter.com/ben_bt/status/1283351434717782016?s=19

A lot comments standing up for women. What was that phrase again, go woke.....?

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Goosefoot · 16/07/2020 22:29

@WeeBisom

Why does Ben, and others like him, always urge women to speak to trans women (“understand the difficulty of their identity, their joys, their fears”) like this is some kind of panacea that will magically make women think that males can change sex? Incidentally, I’ve known two women (plus myself) who became even more gender critical after talking to trans women because of the way they behaved! Yes, Ben, we have spoken to trans people and we still don’t think they’ve changed sex!
I really wonder this as well. Are they assuming many of us don't know any?

I have a longtime family friend who was one of the first people here to have reassignment surgery in the late 70s, this is someone I have known since I was 19 and interacted socially with weekly since then - as she's very elderly and was shut in during the pandemic my son sent her some letters.

Why the heck would anyone think being critical of proposed changes to the law, or medical approaches to kids, or queer theory, means not having talked to any trans people?

Apileofballyhoo · 16/07/2020 22:24

That truth being a collective discovery line bothers me too tbh.

highame · 16/07/2020 22:22

@Violetparis

So many of these comments I agree with, I'll also add the way it treats working class people as if they are some strange, alien species.
They are, they're intelligent and realistic and tell it like it is. Shockin😁g
Violetparis · 16/07/2020 22:13

So many of these comments I agree with, I'll also add the way it treats working class people as if they are some strange, alien species.

Collidascope · 16/07/2020 22:08

I must admit, I don't remember anything past Growing Pains.
I do remember Bert Baxter with his beetroot sandwiches that used to stain the bedsheets though. I can't imagine LOJ trooping round there to clean an old pensioner's house the way Adrian did 😂

DianasLasso · 16/07/2020 21:53

OMG - has anyone ever seen Adrian Mole and Lil' OJ in the same place at the same time? I think we're onto something here.

and stopped doing all the housework for him and his dad

Did he grow up to employ a (female) cleaner, but claim that it was his flatmate what made him do it? 😂 😂 😂

Collidascope · 16/07/2020 21:50

@DianasLasso

One day the only one left will be OJ screaming into the void about why its so unfair that nobody loves him and this is the curse of all the youth like him (cos he's columnist version of Peter Pan, the middle aged man who acts like a fucking 14 year old). And sadly there will be no one who can be arsed to take the clickbait anymore

It will become The Secret Diary of Owen Jones, aged 13 3/4.

😂 iirc Adrian Mole got very annoyed after his mum read The Female Eunuch, started wearing dungarees, and stopped doing all the housework for him and his dad.
DianasLasso · 16/07/2020 21:36

One day the only one left will be OJ screaming into the void about why its so unfair that nobody loves him and this is the curse of all the youth like him (cos he's columnist version of Peter Pan, the middle aged man who acts like a fucking 14 year old). And sadly there will be no one who can be arsed to take the clickbait anymore

It will become The Secret Diary of Owen Jones, aged 13 3/4.

Freespeecher · 16/07/2020 21:36

"...a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.

Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I was always taught that journalists were charged with writing the first rough draft of history. Now, history itself is one more ephemeral thing molded to fit the needs of a predetermined narrative".

Taken from Bari Weiss' letter of resignation from the NYT but you could easily replace 'NYT' with 'Graun' without anyone noticing.

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2020 21:32

The problem with the Guardian is how it lacks relevance to real life.

It's focus on identity politics and nothing else has damned it to an ever shrinking audience who match the values and identity it preaches.

Unfortunately as soon as you fall off your own pedalstal you are no longer part of the ideology and its followers.

So it's doomed to an ever shrinking pool of readers as it's purity spiral tightens and shrinks.

One day the only one left will be OJ screaming into the void about why its so unfair that nobody loves him and this is the curse of all the youth like him (cos he's columnist version of Peter Pan, the middle aged man who acts like a fucking 14 year old). And sadly there will be no one who can be arsed to take the clickbait anymore.

Chiochan · 16/07/2020 21:29

I like the off guardian sloggan;

'Because facts really should be sacred.'Grin

Check out OffGuradian it has some good stuff.

Chiochan · 16/07/2020 21:24

Good, the guardian has been propaganda for the neoliberal deepstate for years.Their shilling for war made me sick long before their misogynistic woke shit turned the paper in to a joke.
I feel nothing but joy that their women hating stance has bitten them in the bum.

TheRealMcKenna · 16/07/2020 21:15

Actually, a whole table is needed for Beardy-Moyle. He needs half a table for his sizeable resignation letter and the rest for his over-inflated ego. How did he manage to resign from his role as a front-bench minister with Labour in Opposition?

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2020 21:13

@PronounssheRa

They are gonna need a bigger table!
Steady now. We are only allowed to meet in groups of 6 or two households - unless the table is at the pub (in which case you can have as many as you like as long as you pretend it's pure coincidence you all turned up at the same time).
ScrimpshawTheSecond · 16/07/2020 21:08

@PronounssheRa

They are gonna need a bigger table!
Grin
PronounssheRa · 16/07/2020 21:05

They are gonna need a bigger table!

TheRealMcKenna · 16/07/2020 21:03

Maybe there is room for Ben under there with them.

Sorry, his spot has already been taken by Billy Bragg.

Binterested · 16/07/2020 21:03

FT recently ran a massive article about the legitimacy of trans ideology...no comments permitted Hmm

I have some hopes that there are GC people there - including Robert Shrimsley. Then he went and tweeted how marvellous he thought Peter Tatchell was. A few women tried to tell him but he didn't quite get to the bottom of it and I think it's hard to admit you've got one of your heroes so badly wrong so I fear a doubling down....

SparklingLime · 16/07/2020 21:01

@SerenityNowwwww: Maybe the need to change their name. The Pink Guardian?

THE GUARDIAN OF THE PRICK

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2020 20:51

@justanotherneighinparadise

Is Damian Barr still hiding? Has anyone checked if he’s come out yet?
I believe he's hiding with Lloyd Russell-Moyle under a table from all the nasty right wing women and journalists. Maybe there is room for Ben under there with them.
SisyphusAndTheRockOfUntidiness · 16/07/2020 20:51

There is literally nothing I'd want to read in the guardian. Why would I? I have more self respect than that. They've clearly & repeatedly stated they don't stand for me or my interests.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 16/07/2020 20:50

The FT, Reuters, may be the Week?

BreathlessCommotion · 16/07/2020 20:46

Where can I get my news and comment from if I don't want to give my money to Murdoch? The independent fell a long time ago. Any suggestions?

justanotherneighinparadise · 16/07/2020 20:34

Is Damian Barr still hiding? Has anyone checked if he’s come out yet?

Collidascope · 16/07/2020 20:32

Oh dear. Well, it will be blamed on women anyway, as Damian Barr did.