The Guardian job cuts

Oh, he's the music editor? Definitely the ideal person to be educating others on how to best wipe out misogyny and ensure fair treatment for women, then.

That new male ranty thread is priceless. What a NarCISsist.

Talk to trans people and understand the reality of their identities; their difficulties and joys.

Ben, the answer is NO.

Ben, that entire twitter thread is women telling you the reality of their identities, their difficulties and joys and you're NOT LISTENING.

My joy is telling Ben to fuck off and I'm never ever giving the Guardian another penny. That will give me great joy.

The misogyny is strong in this one.

Oh, that thread. And the grand entreaty to "please read it all." As though we haven't heard these clichés a thousand times before.
TWAW: check
TMAM: check
Compassion (obviously going one-way): check
Men are violent to trans women: check
Cis women: check
Debate has to start with acceptance of lie that TWAW: check
Talk to trans people, try to understand them (again, one-way. We know who the real women are when it comes to who has to do the understanding): check

If he's only talking to women who consider themselves "c*s" then I'm sure they agree with him already. It's the rest of us he's failing to convince.

Poor little Ben. Up until now in his life, all the women have given men like him lots of woke cookies. He's not like those other men you see, he understands misogyny and oppression. He nods along about microaggressions and believes fervently in all the isms. He'll blink very sadly and earnestly at you and give you a solemn lecture even as he wipes away all female rights without a second thought because you see, he's a NICE guy, not like those Others. He understands women better than silly women do!

Christ. I honestly prefer outright sexist old fashioned views to the modern Bens of the world.

So this twit has tweeted to transwomen and ciswomen ... the majority of us who are just women have been ignored. What a surprise.

‘ Cis’ relies on misogyny and sexist. You cannot call people ‘cis’ unless you are sexist. They are inseparable.

On Twitter, the columnist Coco Khan has written:

"So the news is out. The Guardian Weekend is closing. I am obviously devastated, having been a weekly columnist for three years. I will forever be grateful to its editor @melissadenes who saw something in this poor lil brown girl from a council house, and made my dreams come true."

Nauseating self-pity aside, I would like to remind Coco that she signed that spiteful letter attacking Suzanne Moore, a columnist who is vastly more experienced, more intelligent, more thoughtful and more generous than she is.

You reap what you sow, Coco.

When the left forget the principles of the left and when liberal forget the principle of liberalism, then they can't expect liberals and lefties to continue to support them.

Its that simple. The guardian represents the identity crisis of the left and of liberalism which no longer knows what it represents, what its underlying roots were and why it arose as a political force.

Keep digging that hole Ben. Cis my arse.

What an absolute arse that Ben is. Incidentally I have never read anything he has written apart from those awful Twitter feeds and I never will again.

He clearly has pure contempt for the majority of his readers and that stuff on sexual violence is a load of crap too. Lots of the comments were about that awful Colone article.

Oh, Ben.

To the cis women who feel betrayed by the Guardian's coverage of trans issues: I'm genuinely saddened to have lost you as everyone working here wants to fight misogyny, sexism and patriarchal power/bullshit.

No, Ben, you collectively clearly don't want to fight that stuff, or you wouldn't be calling us "cis" and wouldn't have run that bloody awful piece about Cologne.

There needs to be debate on how to ensure safety and agency of all women; of methods and timings of transitioning, which will vary for each person. But any debate needs to come from a place of compassion where the fact of trans women's existence and womanhood is honoured.

Perhaps you could stop trying to prevent debate from happening then? If women are involved we will be coming from a place of what our needs are and what's important to us. Ben cannot force us to come from any other position, nor should he be trying to do so. Which takes us back to his earlier point.

This debate should continue until everyone feels safe. People often approach it in bad faith. I encourage people to think openly. Talk to trans people and understand the reality of their identities; their difficulties and joys.

But you just said it couldn't even start until it promises not to center women. See how that's going to be a bit of a problem?

Most people's gender "matches" with the one conferred on them by biology and society.

I am, from this point forward, going to always take the “James Lindsay” approach and throw the arguments straight back at them.

1. How can ‘gender’ “match” biology when biological sex doesn’t exist?

Ben is transphobic.

2. Biology is a construct of Whiteness.

Ben is an unashamed white supremacist.

Job done.

Just read this bit, he doesn't have the faintest clue how most women feel does he? How many women here "match" their gender role?

Most people's gender "matches" with the one conferred on them by biology and society. Mine does, and it's the same for millions more. A minority differ. We should be compassionate towards them.

It’s a mantra.

It is indeed. I don't get it. The country churns out thousands of trained journalists every year. Some of them must be pretty good. They must be able to think critically, write engagingly, develop an argument. Why, given such a talent pool, is the Guardian employing morons?

That twitter thread is gold! It is so rare seeing anything go womens' way on twitter. I am really shocked.

Maybe the management will get Bens tweet engraved one a nice little tombstone award for his leaving do?

It’s a sad day when a paper in which used to represent my values is now in such a position.

We got a copy recently, substituted for our usual Times and I was shocked at what a rag it had become, it was awful.

What I like about the Times is the diversity in reporting and views, this makes it interesting and helps to cement/challenge my own views, something the Guardian was incapable of doing except to make me want to run around screaming I’m a woman no fucking cis about it!

As an aside, one columnist in the Times, sorry can’t remember who, said to women that if a leftie, woke man approaches you saying that they are your friend, to run for the hills as they are anything but. That’s basically what the Guardian has become.

It’s a mantra. If you state with a #nodebate statement you are trying to enshrine it into Twitter law, perhaps in the hope no one will argue the point thereafter.

Why do I keep seeing zero TRA responses in these massive GC threads? Where are they all?

I just read Ben's thread. His tweet yesterday was the one that drew dozens of responses from women angry at being let down by the Guardian.

My main response is: wtf is wrong with these people? Why are they so stupid? He starts his argument with:

Trans women are women.
Trans men are men.
Non binary people are non binary.

How can you be so dim as to think that that constitutes a persuasive argument? It's as if I wanted to persuade people of the truth of Christianity, and began by saying: "Jesus is the son of God." It's putting the conclusion first, ahead of the actual argument. Not that Ben goes on to develop an argument.

It's so depressing when you see a journalist, someone whose entire job is to use words persuasively, start an argument with a thought-terminating cliche. He might just as well have started with "War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength."

After I read his series of tweets, I was even more pissed off than I was before, which I wouldn't have thought possible.

BBT to trans people: 'we want to tell your stories'.
BBT to women: 'Sorry you've gone.' (With a 'cis' for good measure.)

Every time he tweets, my heart hardens a little bit more.

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That twitter thread from Ben is hilarious. And totally sums up why the guardian deserves to die.

Guardian: "Not enough people are buying our paper! Please give us money or we'll have to fold!"

Ex guardian readers x 1000: "We don't buy your paper anymore because you are massive misogynists who crap all over women"

Guardian: "No no, silly women! Here, read why you're completely wrong and clearly know nothing about your own rights and material reality. And then give me more money."

Wokey wankers go brokey brokey. Bye bye.

Ironically, it has been the Guardian's First Dog On The Moon syndication that has cemented my anti-Murdoch stance!