Cambridge rape centre response help needed

Fair reply. Thank you for sharing 😊

That 2004 study gets a lot of mileage.

Any update on this?

charley I'm so sorry. I was reading your post with profound respect for your articulation, but when you said it left you in tears, and why, my respect was instantly replaced with horror and fury on your behalf.

It's a terrible characteristic of this issue that one thinks one has seen and heard everything and can no longer be shocked, but then, as sure as day follows night, the ante increases and another thunderbolt descends.

The inhumane, loathsome, gleeful misogyny takes your breath away.

Newwayofthinking

Bloody well done for refusing to let this go. It must be soul destroying, but, please know that you have thousands of women supporting you.

The awful thing is, this is so avoidable. You can, of course, offer services to men, however they identify, without impacting services to women. Transwomen could be spoken to by other transwomen, without women ever coming across it.

The obvious, blatant, in your face prioritisation of validating men, using women as service humans, by actually leveraging their trauma, is just disgusting.

I genuinely believe this is temporary. Very few people would not be outraged at the ideological capture of rape services.

What is that publication? Viz?

Keep going with it OP.

When you get a reply send to The Baroness.

I've read the original "article". It's just pure propaganda. I've put in a screen shot of the first part of it to show how it's reported. It doesn't deserve clicks.

OP, when did you send the email? Is it time to send a follow up email?

Oh dear op - but maybe it's not enough time if they are going to answer your questions properly.

Charlieparly your posts are always excellent. Even after everything I've learnt over the last couple of years I'm amazed (in a bad way) to hear your experience of trying to raise this w a service.

It wouldn't be very nice but it sounds like the way to challenge this is in court.

"those with complex gender identities which include ‘woman’" is so far removed from the rationale for allowing sex specific occupations & services in the sex discrimination act & them EA. There can't be any law behind it.

Some potential service users will be being indirectly discriminated against because they can't access the service.

Your story & findings should be in the papers. Someone needs to do some investigation.

Also - I'm not sure I will find it - but someone has done a blog post where they went through lots of policies for refuges & other similar services, finding which were about 'self identifying women' & which seemed to offer separate female only services.

If the TRA lobby demand is that females must get over their trauma and distress and fear and embarrassment to accept services/getting undressed next to/going into a refuge with someone they perceive as male and respect their identity...

then the male can equally get over their emotions and needs and accept that some females need same sex provision and identify as sex being a thing. With identities obviously being respected.

Unequal standards and treatment like this are flat out discriminatory. And as they always privilege and benefit males and disadvantage females, it is flat out discrimination based on sex.

Any ideas you want to share, Michelleoftheresistance or anyone else, please feel free to send me a PM.

I have an action plan (of sorts) but I rather feel like an ant battling an elephant.

Why are the putting the wants of a trans woman who wants to work for the charity over a woman who needs the services of the charity? Won’t they allow a trans man to work for them?

You aren't the first survivor on just this story in the past 24 hours to talk about how hellish men trying to make women talk to them about male sexual violence is, for women. It's appalling and wrong on every possible level, and anyone unable to see that is a disgusting human being.

The fact those disgusting human beings work for Rape Crisis makes it all the worse. So much solidarity and love for you, and the other brave women who tried to make the absolutely bloody obvious known to people drawing a salary by pretending to care about women.

We need a list of the remaining truly single sex providers. So we know who to donate to, support... and trust.

Charlie I am just beyond angry by how appallingly you were treated. If there is anything I can do to help you take this further please do not hesitate to ask. I would hope the Baroness, JK Rowling and FPFW among the other many excellent pro female people with means of getting their voice heard are aware, because so many people think this is just theoretical.

It isn't. Female people are being excluded now from any services in order to provide males with all the choices of services. It's indefensible. It's wrong.

I agree that if a victim asks for a woman they should get a born female woman to talk to.
But I personally found that I was more comfortable discussing my rape with men, not women. The women were too quick to judge me from the security of their not experiencing what I went through. It was men that had actually sympathy for me and restored my confidence that all men were not like my rapists.

So potentially people who live as male by day but fancy answering the phone to female rape victims because their identity is complex and they coincidentally identify as female for this particular role?

We were told flat out that the minimum threshold for the inclusion of a male in what they claim is a female-only therapeutic environment is a verbal statement of identity.

No changes whatsoever. Not even pronouns or name, not appearance or mannerisms, let alone any actual transition.

A bloke who looks, sounds and behaves like your typical bloke is accepted by a service once set up to help women recover from the sexual violence they experienced at the hands of men now accepts a man is not merely a woman but female on his say so. And we are nothing more than collateral damage in the service's new mission to uphold his human right to his identity.

I wish I was making this up.

Ah apologies I've read the original email totally wrong however I think my point still stands... I can totally see how some men would get their kicks calling up to speak to women about rape.
How can people not see how self identifying is just a complete nightmare ?

And one of the things that needs to be owned, and told to the general public is the belief held by this political agenda:

females who will not obey and defer to males should be rightfully excluded from services

Those females are tax payers. Those females are voters. Those females are 51% of the fucking population. Where the fucking hell are the MPs and the government?

'Those with complex gender identities which include women'

That bit doesn't sit right with me at all.
So potentially people who live as male by day but fancy answering the phone to female rape victims because their identity is complex and they coincidentally identify as female for this particular role?
Ye, that will never happen will it and their is no potential for abuse at all