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Self ID and EA2010

31 replies

CallarMorvern · 15/07/2020 01:42

I'm assuming this has already been discussed, but...Just seen someone on Twitter claim that self ID will make no difference to women's safe spaces/women's services as they will still be protected by the EA2010.
But if TWAW, then how does the equality act even work?

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ThatsHowWeRowl · 15/07/2020 07:32

A man will be able to change his legal sex to female with absolutely zero gatekeeping, and therefore be able to access things for females that are protected under the legal characteristic of sex in the EA.

FloralBunting · 15/07/2020 07:30

The EA2010 allows exclusions, so a DV service could have a policy of excluding male people, regardless of GRC status, as it's entirely reasonable and proportionate.

This would, it is claimed, not be affected by Self ID, which would just be making it very much easier to get a GRC.

However, those making this claim.aren't telling you that part of their lobbying was also to remove the single sex exemptions from the EA2010, so that there would be no way to protect single sex provision and a GRC would be an all access pass which rendered sex obsolete as a protected class. This is a link to Stonewall's campaign aims, and I've screenshot the relevant part.

So basically, they're lying when they say single sex provision would be protected by the EA2010 if they succeed. Because they are campaigning to change the EA2010 too.

www.stonewall.org.uk/women-and-equalities-select-committee-inquiry-transgender-equality

Self ID and EA2010
ThinEndoftheWedge · 15/07/2020 07:12

The whole point is to irradiate sex as a protected characteristic and ensure all female sex based rights, spaces and language are designed to cater for a very small minority of men.

This is progressive in 2020.

The fact that it compromises the health, safety, privacy, dignity, equity of access and outcomes of women and girls is entirely irrelevant.

FairPoint · 15/07/2020 02:14

Men with no certificate are compared with men when considering whether they have been discriminated against. By contrast, those with a GRC are compared with women. Therefore, there would potentially be a large quota of males being compared with women when discerning whether or not they have been discriminated against.

There is a get out clause where even males with a grc are prevented from partaking in certain activities, but it is on a case by case basis.

TLDR: the Tras have destroyed the meaning of the word woman if the proposed GRC changes take place.

OldCrone · 15/07/2020 02:12

But if TWAW, then how does the equality act even work?

Sex will no longer be a protected characteristic.

MiladyRenata · 15/07/2020 02:08

We will be equal. Thats the idea.