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Michaela Coel called out over comments on 'responsibility' and sexual assault

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stumbledin · 14/07/2020 17:45

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It doesn’t mean that Arabella [the protagonist of IMDY] is responsible for what happened to her. But she can find, within that scene of when her drink was spiked, she can find herself not being powerless.

When you dare to face that, for me personally, I gained some sort of power. I don’t know why. But when I allowed myself to just look and go ‘And there was the minute when perhaps I was looking somewhere else [...] and that’s when it happened’.

It doesn’t place any blame on me. But to shield me [...], to shield anyone from that moment is to keep someone as an infant.

You’re making them only see it from a two-dimensional view, where there is a victim and a criminal, and the criminal did everything and you did nothing, everything happened to you.

But that is such a powerless way of seeing life. And I don’t know how much we can grow, I don’t know how much we can find our power if we’re only seeing things that way.

www.indy100.com/article/michaela-coel-i-may-destroy-you-sexual-assault-responsibility-9615436

(I haven't watched the series as I just thought it was going to be another tv drama relying on a sexploitation plot, though understand that it now being said to be a feminist / me too drama)

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2020 21:02

Does accepting some responsibility make you less powerless.

To some women it does, I've talked about it with them. Others not. Ultimately, as a sexual violence survivor, there's no right or wrong way to deal with it, but you shouldn't assume that your experience speaks for every woman.

I'm not keen on these comments, tbh. But she has the right to express them.

stumbledin · 14/07/2020 19:11

Sorry didn't meant to start a thread about "calling out" a woman - I was just lazy and copied the article title.

And lets not forget it is the MSM who is giving power to all the tittle tattle on twitter etc., as most of us have no idea or want to know

Maybe I should ask MNHQ to change title.

I maninly poster as I was interested in the comment.

Does accepting some responsibility make you less powerless.

Confused
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hoodathunkit · 14/07/2020 19:09

I really, really hate the whole victim culture in which people are called out for say, suggesting that women should learn to fight to protect ourselves from rape and other violent assaults

Of course women should learn to fight! If I was in charge of sports ed in this country all girls (and boys) would learn fighting skills, including weapons training.

Obviously this kind of thing can go too far, I am not advocating teaching children a culture in which problems are solved with violence, but what the hell is wrong with teaching kids about the risks you face in life as you grow up and how to defend yourself against them?

What is wrong with teaching kids to learn about discipline and respect for others whilst gaining confidence learning how to deal with potential problems?

There is also a balance to be had.

It seems to me that there is a continuum of beliefs in this respect.

On the one hand, warning women to watch our drinks or suggesting that taking up boxing or martial arts is condemned as victim blaming. This is, IMO, counterproductive. The very first thing any fighter does is to assess the opponent and his / her weapon/s. There is a saying "To know your opponent - know his sword". This is just rational and sensible.

On the other extreme, there is the New Thought movement in which people believe that anything that happens to you is because you chose it at some level. People who drowned in a tsunami chose to drown. People murdered in genocidal atrocities brought it on themselves in some way. An acquanitance years ago once told me that I was ultimately responsible for being sexually abused by my father because my spirit had chosen to be reincarnated in my family of origin. This is disgustingly victim blaming IMO.

Surely there is a Goldilocks zone of culpability in which we accept that we may consiously or unconsciously sometimes expose ourselves to risk, but that also there are some things we have no power over and that sometimes bad things happen to good people?

Surely the strongest path is to identify potential probems and to identify ways of either avoiding them and / or dealing with them effectively?

I see what she's saying. I guess, it's like seatbelts in a car accident. Wearing one won't stop me being rear ended, and it doesn't make the accident my fault if I am not wearing one and end up going through the windshield... But if I do take a simple precaution and put one on, I can make myself safer in the event someone does do something to me.

Great example

HoneysuckIejasmine · 14/07/2020 18:27

I see what she's saying. I guess, it's like seatbelts in a car accident. Wearing one won't stop me being rear ended, and it doesn't make the accident my fault if I am not wearing one and end up going through the windshield... But if I do take a simple precaution and put one on, I can make myself safer in the event someone does do something to me.

Iyswim. Hard to articulate.

Apileofballyhoo · 14/07/2020 18:23

So women should be hyper vigilant to avoid feeling powerless?

I would have thought most of us are hyper vigilant anyway. And it's not to avoid feeling powerless. It's to avoid being assaulted.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 14/07/2020 18:08

People just love to “call out” other people these days. Even if we agree with someone on 99 things but not on the 100th, then they have to be “cancelled” and debounced. Fuck, we really can’t hold own opinions anymore.

twoHopes · 14/07/2020 18:05

On a related note - I've been in an abusive relationship before and find it very hard to have a conversation about it for this exact same reason. Any time I try to talk about what I did to allow (or even encourage) the abusive behaviour I'm told I'm victim-blaming (myself). I find this really frustrating because I want to arm myself against this kind of thing happening to me again. In fact I've changed a lot of the way I engage with relationships now to make myself less vulnerable to abuse. And yet all of this soul searching I've had to do on my own because no one wants to insinuate that anything was "my fault".