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Paedophile with 1500 abuse images now identifies as a woman

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QuarantineDream · 14/07/2020 13:48

Also claims it was "their" gender dysphoria that caused them to download the images of pre-pubescent girls being abused.

Judge disagreed with that assessment - said Anthony had clearly gotten sexual gratification from the images - and yet STILL handed down a 2-year suspended sentence... Isn't that the definition of male privilege?

Female pronouns throughout the article.

www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-pervert-im-paedophile-123-4320791

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ContentiousOne · 15/07/2020 00:54

@FlamedToACrisp

At the very least, the defence of gender dysphoria should be completely rejected if the accused has never mentioned it or attempted to 'live as a woman' until the idea of being put in prison with a load of angry blokes seemed likely.
It should be rejected as a defence for anything!
SengaStrawberry · 15/07/2020 00:52

This is a disgrace

JaniceBattersby · 15/07/2020 00:05

Local newspaper reporters are in an incredibly difficult position here. They’re bound by IPSO and guided by the NUJ to use whichever pronouns the criminal wants them to. We earn under 25k. There’s no way any of us can afford to resign over this on principle.

I’m a court reporter have been in several of these types of cases (I make a point of going to them) and have had several stand-up rows with my editor but ultimately we are bound by IPSO and I’d rather local papers cover the stories using incorrect pronouns than not at all.

In my experience, judges order all people in the court room to use the preferred pronouns and journalists, when quoting them, cannot and should not change a direct quote. To do so would be in contempt of court.

And also in my personal experience, and to the best of my knowledge without exception, if they’re male on the court list their crimes are recorded as male and they’re in the male prison estate even if they are calling themselves Pixie or whatever.

The way I get around this is to use no pronouns at all in stories like this if I can help it. It often takes me ages to write the copy and the phrasing can sometimes look a bit odd but I’d rather do that than use incorrect pronouns or get bollocked by IPSO.

The Derby Telegraph journalist only refers to the defendant as ‘she’ twice, which implies to me that they have taken some considerable care and know exactly what’s going on here.

Newspapers are horrifically understaffed and to physically get to court at all these days is so rare. Someone has made an effort to go along to this case, and they’ve even taken a photographer to get a pic to make the gender of the offender VERY clear to their readers. Having a go at the reporter will just make local newspapers less likely to cover cases like this.

It’s probably wiser to reserve the rage for the regulators that encourage this type of pervert to ‘identify’ as female without question.

Clymene · 14/07/2020 23:50

Maya Forstater wrote to a paper in March complaining that they described him as a woman and the editor replied and told her that Marsgsll is legally female. We know that is untrue because the court records show he is legally male.

Who is lying? The police? The court? The press?

twitter.com/mforstater/status/1235982216125169664?s=21

And how did we ever get to a place where a disgusting depraved sick fuck like this bloke can make any demands over and above a right to a fair trial?

SerenityNowwwww · 14/07/2020 23:44

Leeds = press

SerenityNowwwww · 14/07/2020 23:43

Male name.
Gender is ‘male’.
Sex is male.

So why are the Leeds saying ‘she’? This is very confusing. And odd.

Clymene · 14/07/2020 23:42

And his gender is recorded as male. twitter.com/alessandraaster/status/1235974138675814403?s=21

Clymene · 14/07/2020 23:37

No GRC is mentioned in the sentencing. His name is referred to as an alias.

TransScandal · 14/07/2020 23:00

transcrimeuk.com/tag/reported-as-woman/ 😡

Binterested · 14/07/2020 22:57

MNHQ will allow you to correctly sex these people because they are criminals. It’s an oddity of MNHQ’s moderating policy - that we can be honest about convicted criminals but not until they’ve been convicted. Up until judgment Julie was a woman because she said so. After judgement Julie was a man 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don’t make the rules - but I do laugh at them

MoltenLasagne · 14/07/2020 22:51

So a report that does not mention that Julie Marshall is male plus the judge refusing to confirm which prison they'll be sent to. I'd hope from the mention of "protective measures" he is going to a men's prison but who knows any more?

Fanthorpe · 14/07/2020 22:47

No GRC?

Clymene · 14/07/2020 22:44

John Marshall is still male. He is self identifying as Julie.

timetest · 14/07/2020 22:23

Are newspapers not allowed to state that Julie Marshall was previously male?

Imnobody4 · 14/07/2020 22:16

And another case.
www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-woman-accessed-sick-child-18593766

A sex offender who accessed sick child abuse images from her hospital bed has been jailed for nine months.

Julie Marshall, 56, was recovering from a heart attack when she used the hospital wifi to access indecent images of children in August 2017.

Judge Newell added: “We have made what arrangements we can with regard to where Miss Marshall will go for now.

"The authorities are aware of the situation and protective measures will take place in the short term.

“In the long term, allocation is a matter for the Home Office and the Prison Service.”

marioncole · 14/07/2020 22:06

I thought you were all talking about this story, but I've realised there are two similar stories on the same day:

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-woman-accessed-sick-child-18593766

QuarantineDream · 14/07/2020 21:47

@Clymene

Yvw.

I think it's utterly shit that IPSO are putting the gratification of convicted paedophiles (and lets not kid ourselves that they won'tbe getting a kick out of compelled pronouns) above the victims of those crimes. And above women who now appear to be - were you to believe what you read in the press - almost as likely to stack up thousands of child abuse images as men are.

I'm fucking raging

Yup.

Sorry for not posting more on this thread I've just been burning with rage for most of the afternoon.

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/07/2020 20:36

I note that "Jenny" was accessing sexual images of child abuse from their hospital bed. Given the appalling NHS guidelines that will no doubt be from a women's hospital ward. Those poor women having to share a ward, bathrooms and toilets with a paedophile. Angry

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2020 20:31

I think to anyone who isn't a genderist, it's enlightening to see how deranged these people often are. They really have no idea how they come across.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2020 20:29

Good on Frances Crook though! Thanks

Fanthorpe · 14/07/2020 20:23

Then got several people asking how can she be so transphobic. Centring the perpetrator of the crime as the victim. FGS.

Fanthorpe · 14/07/2020 20:21

Frances Crook from the Howard League tweeted a link to the case and said ‘This case illustrates how it is important to recognise sex, not gender. This person downloading 80,000 abusive pictures of children will be classified as a crime by a woman, inflating the apparent sex offending by women’

Clymene · 14/07/2020 20:16

Yvw.

I think it's utterly shit that IPSO are putting the gratification of convicted paedophiles (and lets not kid ourselves that they won'tbe getting a kick out of compelled pronouns) above the victims of those crimes. And above women who now appear to be - were you to believe what you read in the press - almost as likely to stack up thousands of child abuse images as men are.

I'm fucking raging

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 14/07/2020 19:59

Ta, Clymene, appreciate it.

Siablue · 14/07/2020 19:53

@HaveaStock

I’m sure the likes of Paris Lees and Juno Dawson even mutter under their breaths when they see reports like that - surely? Can they really not see where we’re coming from with this - this isn’t some ‘hypothetical’ that you can deal with by saying ‘well Rose West was a woman!’ Can you? No. Just no.
I did like Paris Lees then I read on another thread that she had been to prison. I found this article that she had written defending Ian Huntley ( sorry I really can’t bring myself to call him Lianne). I hope I don’t get banned from Mumsnet. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/opinion/paris-lees-transgender-prisoners-isnt-time-talked-facts-54181/amp
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