If they say cancel culture doesn't exist then surely it doesn't...erm no

Oh I can't seem to attach a pic, it's OJ on twitter crowing about how 'women are more in favour of self id'.

Speaking of Owen Jones:

If a woman is 'anyone who identifies as a woman' then it's not surprising they are in favour of self-id!

Or does OJ only think women are adult human females in very specific circumstances where very specific political points scoring is needed?

That KCL survey is very interesting ChattyLion.

Especially the conclusion that quite a lot of students think shouting down is the right thing to do. It seems the evidence is there for a cancel culture. I noticed that Huff Post try to reframe the pushback as moral panic, when in fact that's a good description of cancel culture, a panicked shouting down of words you don't want to hear.

Teenagers eh?

I really don't understand why the default response to criticism of the terminally woke is absolute denial. It's like gaslighting on a massive scale.

'There is no conflict between womens rights and the demanded trans rights'. 'Trans Activists have never said sex is not real/binary/immutable'. 'There is no cancel culture'.

'We have always been at war with Eastasia'

Thats what I've always wondered @Vermeil.

Hes a nasty little man with skin like a butterfly. I've seen him cause pile ons on private citizens, sometimes very young, usually women for not giving him the 'proper respect' and then get all whiney and self pitying when people give it back to him.

What gaslighting rubbish. "Cancel culture doesn't exist but if you're cancelled you probably deserve is" sounds like the narcissist's prayer.

I was interested in this and thought this KCL survey on freedom of speech and students was interesting:

www.kcl.ac.uk/policy-institute/assets/freedom-of-expression-in-uk-universities.pdf

It is interesting But look at the protected characteristics that it lists in the survey questions... my irony-ometer broke at that point.

I saw some dullards on Twitter were responding to Janice Turner’s 1984 piece this weekend saying that what she was talking about wasn’t coming from ‘government suppression‘ so therefore freedom of speech was unaffected.

I don’t get Owen Jones.
Why does he have a platform from which to spout his views? Why should I give two shits what he thinks about anything? He’s just the Oxbridge educated son of a couple of lecturers, he’s a nobody with little actual life experience, so why is he everywhere?

The groups that don't have unions are the ones who really could use them - waiters, warehouse staff, personal services like hair or massage or aesthetics, clerks in supermarkets, call centres. In many ways those are now the real working class jobs of today. And no way they would be allowed to unionise.

Something that has always been an issue for Labour is they haven't understood the WC for a long long time. Lots of self employed plumbers etc, the real aspirational people of the working class, do not hold the same views as labour. The LP will have a hell of a job persuading the MC that WC views will have to be incorporated in order for Labour to win votes. You cannot just go out there and say 'stop being racist' 'stop being transphobic' it just wont work. Kier Starmer is going north, but he is preaching to the converted . The Tories understand this, they know where to find votes, women and the north and they will keep their county set voters, because they will never vote labour

Increasingly though the working people are not so keen to vote Labour. I've wondered what that looks like at the level on internal TU politics.

TU’s are going through the same existential crisis as the Labour Party. They increasingly don’t actually represent the ‘working class’. I can’t remember where I saw it, but a recent study showed that a ridiculously high percentage of TU members - something like 70-80% - are in ‘professional’ roles. I’m guessing this largely includes teaching, medical, civil service, local government etc.

That Frankie Boyle joke is so disgusting I cant even. Also, his old twitter is full of actual transphobic tweets and jokes about rape.

And this absolute cunt has the audacity to have a go at women for not being 'accepting and kind' enough.

Just. Fuck. Off. Frankie.

Thanks Goosefoot

Fairly racist, too I’d say.

: ‘I have a theory about the reason Jordan married a cage fighter - she needed a man strong enough to stop Harvey from fucking her.’

For anyone who wasn’t aware of how disgusting he’s been in the past. Wouldn’t make that joke now, eh Frankie? Good.

Wow, I didn't think Owen Jones would be able to say or do anything that would surprise me.

Increasingly though the working people are not so keen to vote Labour. I've wondered what that looks like at the level on internal TU politics.

I'm not sure, but I think the likes of Len Mc thought Labour would have a landslide and therefore his socialist dream would come true, albeit further left than maybe he would have liked. Perhaps the idea was to get elected and then bring them back into line.

btw how do you do the block bit with name etc when replying to someone. My IT skills are very out of date

Speaking of Little OJ.
It must take a staggering lack of critical thought to praise up in such a wholesale way one of the main proponents of cancel culture when you yourself made you name and living by saying a load of really nasty, offensive things about children, disable people and women. Pull that ladder up behind you, eh, Frankie?

I think TU's are happy to back momentum. Their involvement has made Labour the biggest party in Europe. I don't think they want to lose that, so it will be a very difficult one to juggle

In a British context the idea of divorcing leftism from the trade unions seems absurd, but it's true that they don't seem to have had nearly as much impact on Labour politics as Momentum over the last few years. I've always felt tension between supporting unions in general on principle and because of family who were in them and recognizing their sexism and frequent attempts to throw women under the bus to protect men's jobs. Even with that being the case I think the left would be better off led by the unions than with what's happening now. "Progressive" is such an amorphous concept, and people who consider themselves progressive often pay very little attention to the bread and butter issues that really matter if you're poor.

I suspect many progressives would not make a connection between trade unions and leftism. Which is funny in a rather depressing sort of way. If it twigged, I wonder i they would think, gee, isn't it peculiar that my lot is still seeing their lot as backwards and deplorable?

I can't figure out how it is that there are so many people who seem not to see what is going on. Part may be that there are many who aren't aware of the situation in academia - that is where it first became visible to me because it was so clear that stifling ideas in that forum was really inappropriate. But there is a strong tendency for people to say, if you can complain about people being canceled, they aren't canceled.

And so many people buy into the "you are free to say it but not from the consequences, it's good that racists etc be fired". They seem utterly ignorant what the effects of that would be, especially if you have an extremely wide view of what constitutes racism and other isms, as many do at the moment.

To be honest, the far left has been ‘cancelling’ people who don’t go along with the approved opinion for decades.

Ask anyone over the age of 70 if they were ever dragged out on strike by a trade union over a cause they didn’t agree with. Ask them what happened to the people who refused.