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Flora Gill - annoying article in The Times

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Theluggage15 · 12/07/2020 00:52

Article on cancel culture. Read the first bit then there was this paragraph:

‘ For example, for my generation — I’m 29 — the right of trans people to be protected is as indisputable as the right to sexual or racial equality. If you’re focusing only on the tiny number of women who could be at threat from men pretending to be trans, instead of the real threat faced by trans women now, then you’re not fighting for women — you’re fighting against a type of woman you don’t value.’

Want to go to sleep but feeling really angry. So depressing reading this, I feel worse for some reason when this sort of view comes from intelligent young women.

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Antibles · 12/07/2020 05:56

I suppose it sums up what the thought process is of young women who support the trans agenda.

This is why the T has to be decoupled from the LGB and exposed for the cuckoo in the nest that it is.

AnyOldPrion · 12/07/2020 05:44

the right of trans people to be protected is as indisputable as the right to sexual or racial equality

Protected isn’t what we’re objecting too, is it? We’re objecting to men being given women’s rights.

And yes to the nepotism.

I don’t believe the majority of young people are actually behind the current activism. Suspect there’s a lot of eye-rolling at the level of complaints created by a tiny minority, but it’s probably seen as more of an annoyance than sinister if you’re at university and don’t follow what’s happening to vulnerable women.

This kind of thing reminds me of the article in the Tab where a transactivist was shocked to discover the majority of students at freshers’ week at Edinburgh University were not in favour of the pronoun badges that had been lovingly provided for them...

ArriettyJones · 12/07/2020 02:15

@irishfeminist

Sigh, more nepotism. It doesn't help the standard of thinking and journalism to have inherited seats in newspapers.
100 x this.
DramaAlpaca · 12/07/2020 02:13

@irishfeminist

Sigh, more nepotism. It doesn't help the standard of thinking and journalism to have inherited seats in newspapers.
Yes, I quite agree.
FantaOra · 12/07/2020 02:12

All generations have the same rights and they were achieved when she was still at a posh school somewhere. This assumption that younger people are more moral than any other is really ageist and elitist. That's okay though I suppose.

WeeBisom · 12/07/2020 01:12

I'm confused by what she means 'the real threat faced by trans people now'.At the moment in the UK, things are pretty good for trans people. They are specifically protected by the Equality Act. They cannot be fired for being trans. The number of trans people murdered in the UK each year is thankfully incredibly low. There is no evidence that the lack of self ID law is a threat to trans people. This article is depressing because for once the interests of women are acknowledged - only to be dismissed.

irishfeminist · 12/07/2020 01:06

Sigh, more nepotism. It doesn't help the standard of thinking and journalism to have inherited seats in newspapers.

7Days · 12/07/2020 01:06

I'd love these writers to really lay it out, instead of just hand wringing.

What issues exactly do transwomen face? I do hear lots of allusion to risk of suicide and violence but it would be great to see proper research into how it actually manifests. Causes, effects, different ideas as to how to reduce harm - theres probably not a magic bullet that will solve all transpeoples problems at a stroke. Twaw and budge up ladies isnt informative.

Maybe a break it down for me type thread from a trans organisation would be good.

Wandawomble · 12/07/2020 01:01

It’s because it makes the future feel difficult because she is supposedly the voice of the future generation = legislation.
But, truth will out. She’ll find out soon enough that women are much more at risk than she thinks, she will have to watch every word, pick up every stitch or she’ll be cancelled herself. Create the rules, play the game.

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