Parents throw second gender reveal party for transgender child

When my son was about 3 he announced he wasn’t a boy. He was a train. Thomas the Tank Engine to be exact. I said “right - can all the little engines get their shoes on ready for nursery”.

God help any child with parents like these.

Having read the article I think I am most taken aback by the professional they were seeking out saying that this ,gender identity‘ won‘t change any more if the child is consistent, insistent, persistent at age 6 or so? I‘m positive there are statistics showing that the majority of such kids will desist when going through puberty.

I mean, insecure parents trusting the ‚experts‘ is a big part of this.

To expand further, many posters just stay away from the issues at work, among friends and sometimes even among family. They use pronouns to be respectful but that’s not to say they believe transgender ideology. This is kind of what the C of E is doing, focussing on respect and support they can give, which no-one can really disagree with. Yes, I believe the church should take a position of leadership on this but the Church of England has always been a bit wishy-washy because it’s holding together many disparate groups which arguably shouldn’t be held together.

Those who grew up in "gender-bending eras" eg Britain in the 70s/80s went care much for what you wear, but will have a firm grasp of biology.

90s too. Have they tried to trans Brett Anderson or the bloke from Placebo yet?

I don’t know if it’s true that ‘mainstream church in the U.K. is well tied to the trans machine’. What I’ve seen (usually from the C of E, which is only one segment of the U.K. church) is people keen to be seen to be supporting and respecting transpeople which they do by not probing into the issues and therefore appearing to believe the central tenets of transgenderism. This is what many posters on FWR do in their everyday lives.

In the same way that, historically, pink and blue weren't associated with 'girl' and 'boy' (if anything, it was the other way around), young children were all dressed in skirts for practical reasons right up until the late 19th century, even into the early 20th. None of this gendered clothing bollocks.

But of course those were old-fashioned, unenlightened people and we've come such a long way since then in terms of pink sparkly technology....

I think those who are GC will eventually be shown to raise the happiest homosexual children into adulthood.

Those who grew up in "gender-bending eras" eg Britain in the 70s/80s went care much for what you wear, but will have a firm grasp of biology.

Allnamesaregone

Well said. There are many examples of powerful/independent/business/thinking women in the bible, but certain types of religious people who know, don't want it to be to pointed out, and atheist types etc. don't want to believe it.

No, homophobia is not the exclusive preserve of Christians. However, like it or not, the mainstream church in this country is well tied to the trans machine, and many are doing it precisely because they think to do so is evidence of their anti-homophobic perspective.

It's a pendulum swing thing - reacting against the anti gay theology of more conservative views, they embrace every single progressive claim going with no critical thinking whatsoever.

Since my daughter has been able to talk she's wanted to be a dog... Still not taken her to the vets.

The C of E's trans bandwagon-jumping is disappointing. It is another example of an organisation that got it wrong on issues of sexuality and is terrified of repeating past mistakes. It opted to jump towards harming women without really thinking about it.

I know at least one female priest who feels unable to voice her concern.

‚wanting long hair‘ wouldn‘t have registered one way or the other in our family, given that both I and DH have long hair. I do remember at one holiday location on a playground a German kid being adamant that my son‘s (bearded) dad couldn‘t have long hair because he was a man, all while long haired bearded dad was playing along with my son. Kids can be quite fixed in their thinking. Though that adult ‚gender reveal mum‘ seems to be stuck at the same place.

@aliasundercover

De-trainsitioned, surely?

When she began talking and expressing herself, I realised there was more to it. She would talk about wanting hair as long as mine and wanting to wear the same clothes as me

Children often imitate older people around them, they do it with siblings too. Also, why can't a boy want to have long hair? Honestly, these people make the Flinstones look like the height of modernity and progressive thinking. Why is the medical profession enabling them?

(Money, in the US at least a big part of the answer is money.)

And it’s a big, big mistake to think homophobia is the preserve of conservative religious people.

LouHotel it seems quite a typical trajectory: thinking that their sex is not fixed at 2-3 years, followed by a phase where they observe gender stereotypes to a ridiculous degree at 4-5, which then relaxes again at about 6. (At least many parents in my circle had a similar experience.)

When I was 15/16/17, I had a 'skinhead' haircut. I wore boys clothes and DM's and adopted the nickname 'Spanner'. I smoked roll-ups and drank pints of beer, I swore and was generally a geezer type of person. I identified more with blokes and didn't really have any female friends.

Nowadays, I am about as far from 'Spanner' as you could imagine. I am very feminine, I have hair extensions and eyelash extensions and my favourite colour is pink. Somebody once referred to me as 'the most feminine person in the house' when I was in a house-share.

Young people do go through phases, it's normal. If 'Spanner' was my reality now, I dread to think what would have happened. I love being a woman, I am a mum and happy with my femininity and my sexuality. The idea that this could all have been taken away from me is absolutely terrifying.

PS: The only thing remaining from my Spanner days is that I still swear like a trooper, although I blame Mumsnet for that .

LittleEntrepreneur
Also I wonder if they’re Christians. That is often a factor in these cases, according to the whistle blower at the Tavistock. Some parents would rather their DC was trans and put it through all that medication and surgery and unknown future, than admit they have a gay child.

I’ve just watched that Tavistock segment on the Newsnight programme. They didn’t mention Christians or any religious faith at all. They mentioned homophobia a number of times but didn’t even allude to any kind of faith or background being the basis for the homophobia. You heard homophobia and in your mind that means Christians. Maybe have a think about why that is.

The kind of Christians who have issues with homosexuality are not the kind to see transgender ideology as a solution. They believe God is infallible and knows us better than we know ourselves, even down to the number of hairs on our heads. How, therefore, could God give a transperson the wrong body? Individual Christians may read the Bible in a way that supports their own decision to transition/transition their children but they would have to contort mainstream Christian beliefs to get there. Straightforward reading of the Bible doesn’t support transgender ideology.

@LouHotel my ds is obsessed with anything with a wheel on tbh, but apparently police vehicles are the best because of the sirens!

Although yesterday even his beloved police vehicles were abandoned as he received a Tesco’s delivery van toy - complete with green crates and all and it can move forwards or backwards by itself and make a doorbell noise! Wouldn’t be surprised if he decided his back-up profession is a Tesco’s delivery driver

@teenmumandsowhat your childs vehicle aspirations were higher than mine, my DD wanted to be an ice cream van.

One of my 4 year olds little friends has been dressing as a 'girl' for the best part of a year with my daughter casually mentioning it now and then... 'F wore a tinker bell dress to nursery today' ect..

Well she came home on Friday to tell me 'f' doesn't want to wear dresses anymore and he's had a haircut. I know his parents and they've let him dress and Express himself how he wants but have always maintained he was a boy.....this is how you do it! I cant imagine if once he started asking for long hair and dresses they then for that point determined he was a girl, how do you do that to your child.

The Christian/right wing thing is very US based. In the UK it's left wing Christians and other religious minded people who are eagerly embracing this.

This is true. And each for very different reasons.

My 4 year old totally understands this.

Me: DD, can boys wear dresses?

DD: Yes, if they want to.

Me: If they wear a dress, does that make them a girl?

DD: No.

Me: Why not?

DD: Girls have vaginas!

Me: Should we tease a boy who wants to wear a dress?

DD: No! We should be kind. He can wear what he wants!

If 4 year olds can get it, I don't see why so many adults can't.

(She did demand a penis aged two but thankfully seems to have passed. To be fair I'd quite like one as weeing standing up looks fun.)

At that age children love make believe. My ds for example is 6, up until he was 4 he fully believed he would be able to be a police motorcycle when he grew up! These days he’s changed his mind to being a policeman.

Anyone with small children knows how weird conversations can get because of their imagination, most sensible people understand that this is them attempting to figure out the world and don’t take what they say as literal truth.