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“57% of women support self ID”

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ACatWhoBinds · 11/07/2020 14:59

A YouGov poll, shown in this Huff Post article, reported that the majority of women support self ID for trans folk. I wondered what everyone’s opinion on it is. I know we probably don’t see eye to eye on this issue but I like to listen to views different to mine Smile

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DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 11/07/2020 15:21

@ShinyFootball

I looked for the question

'Do you think a person should or should not be able to self-identify as a gender different to the one they were born in?'

I mean I would say yes
The missing word is 'legally'
And a lot of people won't realise everything that flows from that

This.

I self ID as an aging goth but that shouldn’t have any influence on the law or my non-goth neighbours/ non-goth children at my kids’ schools.

‘Should a man be able to self ID as a woman for all intents and purposes under U.K. law’ would get a very different answer. Pink News knows this and so do the government.

This yougov poll is a non story.

OvaHere · 11/07/2020 15:20

You can't stop people identifying as anything. It's how far legal support should go that's in question.

There are a small minority of adults who self identify as children, we can't prevent what they believe about themselves but we have no obligation to make it legal for them to attend primary school.

skql · 11/07/2020 15:20

Michelleoftheresistance

self id means other pp have to accept that id.
(or the one lives in isolate island.)

what i understand self id means twaw.

am i wrong?

hard to understnad.

Falleninwiththewrongcrowd · 11/07/2020 15:17

June 2019: 56% support for self id
June 2020: 50% support

“57% of women support self ID”
ShinyFootball · 11/07/2020 15:16

I looked for the question

'Do you think a person should or should not be able to self-identify as a gender different to the one they were born in?'

I mean I would say yes
The missing word is 'legally'
And a lot of people won't realise everything that flows from that

Artesia · 11/07/2020 15:15

Surely that stat is misleading - it’s actually “ 57% of people who identify their gender as being female support self id”. Which is entirely different- the respondents could have been 100% natal male. Which just demonstrates how ridiculous and circular the whole charade has become.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 11/07/2020 15:14

This is the pinknews survey. As has been said, yougov can phrase survey questions to ensure the commissioner gets the answer they're looking for.

Wings over scotland had a survey with some more detailed questions on the practical application of the proposed changes. The numbers were very, very different.

Michelleoftheresistance · 11/07/2020 15:13

I support self ID. I'm all for anyone identifying as they want, presenting as they want, do what makes you happy. And lets get rid of GRCs.

What I don't support is that TWAW, legal fiction of sex change, or any males in female single sex spaces: instead creating third spaces and a clear difference in law between sex and gender.

Falleninwiththewrongcrowd · 11/07/2020 15:12

The YouGov poll (commissied by PinkNews) also shows that support for self-id has gone down since they asked the same question a year ago. They're keeping quiet about that though.

morningtoncrescent62 · 11/07/2020 15:11

Is there any more information on how the question was framed? I'd like to see what people were actually asked before I speculate on the results.

Oxyiz · 11/07/2020 15:11

In fact when you think that most people won't see the risks behind it all, and will just want to be kind, I'm surprised the number isn't higher.

sleepyhead · 11/07/2020 15:09

Well I support people identifying as whatever they like, but I dont believe men can become women or should be in women's spaces.

So I guess I support self id (want to self id as a banana - crack on!), but I don't support a change in the GRA to allow people to gain legal recognition on the basis of that self id alone.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 11/07/2020 15:09

Do you think that people be allowed to self ID - yes.
Do you think that a 40 year old male self identifying as a woman should be allowed to share the female changing rooms with your 12 year old daughter? - !!

Depends how you ask the question.

Oxyiz · 11/07/2020 15:09

Interesting. I wonder what was actually asked and understood by "self id".

MsMarvellous · 11/07/2020 15:03

Saw thus on twitter. When the question is phrased more specifically and clarified then the results are very different...

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