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BBC removes trans charities from support page

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teawamutu · 10/07/2020 18:47

From Penis News, but hopefully this link won't give them revenues:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200710172219/www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/10/bbc-gender-identity-support-mermaids-lgbt-transgender-non-binary/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200710172219/www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/10/bbc-gender-identity-support-mermaids-lgbt-transgender-non-binary/

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 28/07/2020 00:41

This should give strength to the arm of anyone challenging these groups being signposted within schools. Now when you're saying "please don't send students to mermaids" you can add "big organisations like the BBC have started withdrawing x, y, z lobby groups from their advice pages due to the tremendous controversy around them". Once one or 2 big orgs start backtracking, smaller ones get nervous and try to keep up. No one wants to be caught out on the wrong side of history, and the right side of history was never the one sterilising gay, lesbian, and autistic children.

OldCrone · 28/07/2020 00:32

I've just seen there's another FOI request about this.
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/minutes_from_meeting_resulting_i

Reply due from the BBC by 12th August.

Request made by someone representing Gendered Intelligence and Gender GP. It seems everyone wants to know why the BBC have made this change.

FloralBunting · 28/07/2020 00:14

@OldCrone

How will they explain 'I am Leo'?
Probably with 'look into the eyes, not around the eyes' and hand waving.
OldCrone · 27/07/2020 23:52

How will they explain 'I am Leo'?

Siameasy · 27/07/2020 23:51

Yes I do get the impression they are seeking to disassociate themselves so they will be on the “right side of history”. Then they will tell everyone how they were one of the first big organisations to “do the right thing”; any others who follow now are “inspired” by them. In fact, the BBC were “against this all along and others were just so slow to catch on!” The BBC “leading the way!”
Friggin Animal Farm again.

SenselessUbiquity · 27/07/2020 23:42

This is really huge!

You know what though - when the heroes that have worked so hard to fix this, have fixed it, we're all going to be gaslit and told that "it was never that bad". "the BBC would never have promoted that," etc.

I'll remember, though. You lot will remember.

This is the lot of feminism. every feminist position that is fought for is considered to be insane, demanding, deranged, selfish, bitter and wrong - till it is won; then it is considered to be so manifestly reasonable that no one believes it was every fought for, in the teeth of violent opposition.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/07/2020 23:33

I think you're right on the money there. Given how snottily the BBC have responded to any complaint I've ever made about their coverage, that's bollocks. They are going to get a big backlash for dropping Mermaids. They would not have done that just because some readers and viewers complained.

Whatisthisfuckery · 27/07/2020 22:43

I don’t for a second think complaints have anything to do with it. We’ve been complaining for years about the BBC more or less advertising for Mermaids and nothing has been done. I think a bloody great torpedo is heading for the good ship Mermaids and the BBC are evacuating sharpish. There have been rumblings of something big waiting to pop for a while and the BBC have just found out and shat themselves, I’d put money on it.

bishopgiggles · 27/07/2020 22:30
Shock I'm genuinely shocked. Very shocked. Stunned. Very stunned. Shocked and stunned.

... as a bunch of Northerners put it.

It feels like a rather large tremor.

Shedbuilder · 27/07/2020 22:27

Just caught up with this. Really good news. The tanker is turning.

TBHno · 27/07/2020 22:27

I don't care why it's been removed, I'm just glad that it's gone.

Many people trust the BBC as a reliable source for facts. Dangerous pseudoscience like pink brains has no place within the BBC.

Btw: Hi Susie! (I know you're reading this)

OvaHere · 27/07/2020 22:14

That's frustrating OldCrone

MrsJamin · 27/07/2020 22:14

Something big is about to drop isn't it?

Haveastock · 27/07/2020 21:55

I can’t quite believe this Shock

I honestly was preparing myself for it all being put back again with some minor tweaks.

This is a seriously important decision. Recognition that Mermaids are not some benign GOSH-like ‘children’s charity’ but promoters of a particular line of ‘treatment’ that is now finally undergoing intense scrutiny and criticism. Finally, it seems the penny is dropping. Thank f**k for that!

OldCrone · 27/07/2020 21:49

I would be really interested to know the decision making behind this.

Someone tried to find out via FOI, and they refused because:

The information you have requested is excluded from the Act because if held it would be held for the purposes of ‘journalism, art or literature.’ The BBC is therefore not obliged to provide this information to you and will not be doing so on this occasion. Part VI of Schedule 1 to FOIA provides that information held by the BBC and the other public service broadcasters is only covered by the Act if it is held for ‘purposes other than those of journalism, art or literature”. The BBC is not required to supply information held for the purposes of creating the BBC’s output or information that supports and is closely associated with these creative activities.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/information_and_support_gender_i#incoming-1606151

VaggieMight · 27/07/2020 21:49

I've been reading this twitter thread. Has anyone seen the clown from IT gif? Made me chuckle.

Me too. Tick tock.

PronounssheRa · 27/07/2020 21:39

Ova

Me too. I doubt this is just because of audience complaints, we have seen on here the dismissive responses the BBC give to complaints. I suspect there is far more to it.

OvaHere · 27/07/2020 21:31

I would be really interested to know the decision making behind this.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 27/07/2020 21:19

Are the BBC cleaning house before a big story drops? Has all the markings of an organisation running its metaphorical shredders hot.
That's what I was wondering.

TedsFederationRep · 27/07/2020 21:16

I'm distraught.

OK, I'm not really GrinGrinGrin

OldCrone · 27/07/2020 21:07

@PronounssheRa

BBC Children in need has given a significant sum to mermaids

www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/children-need-2018-these-are-wakefield-projects-supported-your-donations-213760

Interestingly I can no longer find a reference to this funding on the BBC CIN funding pages

It's all in the Mermaids accounts on the Charity Commission website.

beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regId=1160575&subId=0

£43,000 in 2019, £70,000 in 2018, £12,000 in 2017

boatyardblues · 27/07/2020 21:01

Are the BBC cleaning house before a big story drops? Has all the markings of an organisation running its metaphorical shredders hot.

PronounssheRa · 27/07/2020 20:54

BBC Children in need has given a significant sum to mermaids

www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/children-need-2018-these-are-wakefield-projects-supported-your-donations-213760

Interestingly I can no longer find a reference to this funding on the BBC CIN funding pages

DialSquare · 27/07/2020 20:48

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

It appears from twitter that this move is permanent...

twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1287804669750894593?s=19

1/ Breaking News! The BBC today emailed its BBC Pride Network to tell members that Mermaids will be permanently removed from its Action Line contacts ‘following audience complaints’

2/ “... against a backdrop of increasingly contested issues relating to trans issues and children. It is a complex area and the BBC needs to remain impartial when signposting audiences to organisations that can offer appropriate advice.”

I've been reading this twitter thread. Has anyone seen the clown from IT gif? Made me chuckle.
Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 27/07/2020 20:47

Crumble crumble the walls are coming down Grin