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BBC removes trans charities from support page

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teawamutu · 10/07/2020 18:47

From Penis News, but hopefully this link won't give them revenues:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200710172219/www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/10/bbc-gender-identity-support-mermaids-lgbt-transgender-non-binary/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200710172219/www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/10/bbc-gender-identity-support-mermaids-lgbt-transgender-non-binary/

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ChattyLion · 11/07/2020 08:50

Anyone else think that there is an internal battle brewing?

Yes, regardless of the outcome with these specific links. This is a culture war and so many institutions have been captured, each of those will have to have these sorts of conversations with staff about what policies they have, what endorsements or advice they give on these issues.
Obviously the BBC is one of the most publicly visible and nationally iconic.
But this discussion needs to happen in all captured organisations, so their position can be brought back into line with good safeguarding practice, good medical practice and the Equality Act etc.

AnyOldPrion · 11/07/2020 07:47

Very interesting. It may well be that they are doing some kind of maintenance or check, but none of the other pages are blank. Unlikely, of course, that they’d remove all four permanently, but if they know something is coming and anticipate removing one, but don’t want to draw attention to that, then the only thing to do in the meantime would be for the whole page to be removed.

Of course it’s equally likely it’s a glitch and everything will go back up in a day or two, cue much crowing on Twitter and some mocking posts about Mumsnetters and their crazy speculation.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 07:34

Very interesting, any lgbt issue raised in progs leads to this page. So the T is included, stonewall are listed but not specifically gender identity and it's more about sexuality.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1nYWPTdMtKStFL2ztx1SV11/information-and-support-lgbt-issues

AnyOldPrion · 11/07/2020 07:31

Apologies, ignore my last post. That was a specific page following a Louis Theroux programme. This must be the page in question, and it is still currently empty.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5zvRZW3yRHjqczdwd0gv3S0/information-and-support-gender-identity

AnyOldPrion · 11/07/2020 07:27

Is this the page? If so, they appear to be back.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3hWKnzF4xGnZ0SmtJvWvByP/information-and-support

SocialConnection · 11/07/2020 07:19

@Apileofballyhoo

AGP.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 07:03

*i highly doubt the bbc have actually removed permanently it though....

Unless they really did learn from Savile.,

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 06:57

I do know there are people at the bbc who are concerned with all this; I have no idea if they have a voice.

Possibly it's been removed if the bbc realise mermaids don't actually align with the nhs and the law.

I noticed the professional training includes medical pathways.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 06:54

Something I've noticed is that they've removed a lot of the press releases in response to a number of newspaper articles going back a few years, where the responses were very revealing.

I was just looking for one I remember that stated that mermaids follow a model of affirmation, as advocated by some worldwide trans healthcare thing (basically not the nhs) and it's not on the new website. So all those times articles responses, where they were responding to certain claims, are not there. They've hidden any controversy and also hidden the fact that they don't actually align with the nhs model of watchful waiting (though I think even the nhs don't.)

Pisses me off they do CAHMS training too.

EweSurname · 11/07/2020 06:41

It seems too optimistic to think that this is the BBC taking a considered approach to safeguarding rather than maintenance or updating content.

And even if it was, it again seems unlikely that it would remain down, especially as it’s been noticed!

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/07/2020 06:39

Hmm interesting Fanny.

I took down a screen shot I'd added upthread as I wasn't sure if it was a good idea having it there, but they've installed denial of service cloudflare software on the website which I think is some sort of protection thing? I've never seen it before.

It worried me a bit, don't know much about it stuff but I do assume they have a particularly politically minded team.

TehBewilderness · 11/07/2020 02:45

They also just ran a hit piece on Jo Rowling lying about what she wrote.
Easy to get away with lying about celebrities in the US, but not so easy in the UK.

bettsbattenburg · 11/07/2020 02:30

@ThatsHowWeRowl

Interesting...... Is it too much to hope that the tide is turning?
I think that is as likely as Canute being successful Sad
ItsLateHumpty · 11/07/2020 02:29

@Binglebong

Have you a link to the tesco thread? I can't find it. Cheers
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3959288-Is-anyone-else-boycotting-Tescos-for-giving-80-000-to-Mermaids?
Binglebong · 11/07/2020 01:21

Have you a link to the tesco thread? I can't find it. Cheers

Kantastic · 11/07/2020 00:55

JY going down for a long stretch/Councils instructed to remove anything recommended by Stonewall from schools/Police revealed to have spent x million of trans lobby causes?

I do not think the first or the third of these would make any difference to whoever edits that BBC website! And possibly even the second one. I'm certain that the people behind all the agenda-pushing there KNOW they're dishonest, they know that people who notice what they are doing hate it, but they think if they just keep publishing lies and half-truths they'll eventually wear us down and we'll stop objecting. I doubt a bit of bad publicity for TRAs would stop them, nothing short of lawyers or sacking could stop them.

I heard from a reliable source that The Times is allegedly releasing a big story regarding a certain charity either this weekend or next.

ooooh. somewhat inclined to believe this because see above. I hope if it's true that the corporate bods who kept giving them money pay a price.

But then... ALL the trans charities have been taken off that page. Are they all involved in the Times story?

blubellsarebells · 10/07/2020 23:57

Lets hope something is happening.
I will be so glad to see the back of this gross charity.
And some heads rolling too hopefully.
You can see from the tesco threads in aibu nobody can actually defend mermaids.
There is no argument for what they do, how can there be?
They need to go.

BitOfFun · 10/07/2020 23:28

@TBHno

I heard from a reliable source that The Times is allegedly releasing a big story regarding a certain charity either this weekend or next.

No idea if it's true though.

TBHno · 10/07/2020 23:19

I heard from a reliable source that The Times is allegedly releasing a big story regarding a certain charity either this weekend or next.

No idea if it's true though.

OldCrone · 10/07/2020 23:18

It's not saying 'not all' feel a mismatch, it's saying 'not all' have a strong sense of discomfort about it.

But if they don't feel discomfort, why do they need to transition?

TorkTorkBam · 10/07/2020 23:06

@FannyCann

NeurotrashWarrior

Looks like mermaids have thrown a heck of a lot of IT and general communications technology at the website over the last year.

I assume they have had to, given the massive data leak last year. It's not as if they are short of money at present, they're swimming in the stuff with so many grants and gifts and fund raisers going they're way.

I expect they would have success if they sought out IT guys who align with their values and who would work evenings and weekends pro bono.
bishopgiggles · 10/07/2020 23:03

@Apileofballyhoo

No doubt there'll be a huge fuss.

I was curious about this sentence though.

It then linked to an NHS page about gender dysphoria – the medical term for the strong sense of discomfort many, but not all, trans people feel at the mismatch between the gender they were assigned at birth and their true gender.

If they don't feel a mismatch, why transition?

It's not saying 'not all' feel a mismatch, it's saying 'not all' have a strong sense of discomfort about it.
canigooutyet · 10/07/2020 22:59

Their last one was just over a year ago, wouldn't people have wanted to redress this earlier?

Private Eye could be a cv thing. A lot of people aren't happy about the google contract with nhs,

PearPickingPorky · 10/07/2020 22:53

I, too, expect to see it back soon, but I'm enjoying the air of panic in the TRAs.

FannyCann · 10/07/2020 22:43

Probably entirely unconnected but re above post from NeurotrashWarrior I happened to notice a small ad in Private Eye and wondered if maybe someone is seeking redress against mermaids and their data leak?

BBC removes trans charities from support page