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GIDS being sued by their safeguarding lead.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/07/2020 14:54

(Text from their crowdfunder)

My Details

My name is Sonia Appleby. I am a qualified social worker (1981); adult psychoanalytic psychotherapist (I992); MSc. in health psychology, (research) and MBA. I have a long career safeguarding and protecting children in social care, health and as a children’s guardian in public and private proceedings.

I am currently the Named Professional for Safeguarding Children and the Safeguarding Children Lead at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust. I am therefore still employed by the Trust against which I am bringing my claim.

What is Safeguarding?

In all NHS trusts and organisations there are professionals such as myself, who work with other internal departments and external agencies to ensure there are 'root and branch' systems to keep patients and service users safe. This means responding to patient/service users' personal experiences, also including their environmental, familial, community/peer circumstances and sometimes any of the aforementioned domains could require the intervention of other professionals in different agencies. Safeguarding children and young people also concerns ensuring there is a sufficiently, healthy culture that does not unwittingly contribute to potential harm regarding the people who use and deliver NHS services.

Safeguarding within the Trust

My primary task is to ensure that clinicians protect their patients/service users from avoidable harm and are also able to recognize and appropriately respond to situations where under 18s are in need of safeguarding. My secondary task is challenge practices which are either harmful or could lead to harm. The Trust is commissioned by NHS England to deliver a National Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), which provides services for children and adolescents diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The treatments available also include "puberty blockers".

I have sought to ensure the principle of ''safeguarding children and young people'' is upheld whilst service users are being assessed and treated within the GIDS service.

My Claim

I lodged a whistle-blowing claim in November 2019 at the Central London Employment Tribunal. Since then I have made 2 applications to amend my claim as new information came to light.

In my claim, I allege that because I made "protected disclosures" to my line manager regarding concerns raised by GIDS staff ( that the health or safety of patients was being, had been or was likely to be endangered), I was subjected to detriments.

I allege these detriments are:

i) the Tavistock misused it's own procedures to besmirch me and therefore jeopardize the role of safeguarding within the Trust;

ii) there was an unwritten but mandated directive from the Tavistock management that safeguarding concerns should not be brought to my attention despite being the Trust Safeguarding Children Lead;

iii) and, clinicians were discouraged from reporting safeguarding concerns to me.

I also allege various other detriments.

Further to disclosures made to Newsnight by former staff, BBC Newsnight produced a programme focusing on the allegation that the Trust did not want to report any concerns to me. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51806962

and you can watch it here

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allmywhat · 15/06/2021 13:08

It sounds like desperate tactics. Knowing absolutely nothing about the case I’d expect them to savage SA’s character to justify their treatment of her, but going after her witnesses like that too? He said he was accused of being part of “a gang” and I believe him, these are the tactics of the deeply paranoid. I sense this line of attack may have come from the client not the lawyer?

We’ve seen other evidence, in the Bell case, that rationality had completely left the Tavistock building.

Manderleyagain · 15/06/2021 13:08

YG - will you take it from me that there were quite significant actions taken after this
That gave me the creeps. What was she (think yg is a female barrister) trying to do with ending like that?

It is strange that things which AS is saying, and do seem important, are not in his witness statement. That suggests the full breadth of the case wasn't understood when he gave the statement, but yg is making out that it means he is making it up on the spot.
It reads like he did very well indeed given the hostility.
I don't know how it will feed in to a wider narrative that the defence are trying to create, but on this occasion the reliance on 'no you are lying' is v weak. I wld find it very unconvincing.

Hannah Barnes is very good at live tweeting! And thanks for updating this thread so quickly!

Signalbox · 15/06/2021 13:01

Will PC be appearing as a witness for the defence? If she is I'm looking forward to her cross examination.

CrazyNeighbour · 15/06/2021 12:56

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InvisibleDragon · 15/06/2021 12:54

It sounds nightmarish. I hope the CQC are watching the outcome of this tribunal closely. GIDS is really not coming across as a service that is "safe" or "well-led"

ShagMeRiggins · 15/06/2021 12:53

YG - will you take it from me that there were quite significant actions taken after this

Erm, no. You’ve continually implied that AS is a liar and that there is no evidence for some of his testimony (in response to which he’s provided clear references of where the evidence is documented), so why shouldn’t you be held to the same standard, eh YG?

Is it because trust me, I’m a lawyer? Hmm

SpindleWhorl · 15/06/2021 12:51

@Signalbox

Sounds like a horrible work environment.
Toxic, shambolic, and unsafe for children.
StellaAndCrow · 15/06/2021 12:51

Yes, if nothing else I think this has given some insight into what it must have been like to work there.

Signalbox · 15/06/2021 12:49

Sounds like a horrible work environment.

ArabellaScott · 15/06/2021 12:45

@StellaAndCrow

Why are people so determined to cover up safeguarding issues? This is not a normal way for a service to behave.
It's quite alarming.
StellaAndCrow · 15/06/2021 12:45

Whatever the outcome, Anastassis Spiliadis has done an awesome job, and I hope he knows how much support he's got.

StellaAndCrow · 15/06/2021 12:43

Why are people so determined to cover up safeguarding issues? This is not a normal way for a service to behave.

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:39

YG - but you’re not taking great issues and don’t know what actions were taken after you left the service
AS - yes
YG - will you take it from me that there were quite significant actions taken after this
AS - can’t answer that question.

End of YG cross examination

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:37

AS says transcript of his interview in the bundle had not been sent to him for approval - as agreed - before publication of final GIDS review report so questions whether it was taken into account.

YG - do you not stand by the transcript then?

AS - I do mostly. But there are some small mistakes and one big mistake where it says I tried to downplay the significance of the review. That’s not the case - I said Polly downplayed the significance. So there are some inaccuracies.

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:32

AS says he had conveyed in the past: “This is really unethical. Really risky. And it should not be happening in any service, let alone all nationally funded service.”

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:30

YG again suggests AS did not raise concerns. AS insists he’s talking about safeguarding issues and reported Sonia comments. “This is not a trial of my personal issues.”

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:30

YG and AS discussing purpose of an exit interview

AS - at that point I had completely lost confidence in the trust as a whole and the processes. Explains he’d repeatedly raised concerns in multiple fora before hand.
YG suggests these concerns are not true otherwise they would have been in exit interview
AS disagrees

Felt privileged to have spoken to high powered people in the trust prior to this - CEO, and PC’s line managers - so could not see why to raise them again in exit interview when they had not been acted upon before…

“I thought I had already raised all the important things with really important people with high power.”

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:26

YG and AS discussing purpose of an exit interview

AS doing very well, YG trying to trip them up after the 2017 typo. Seems like they're seeing through that

CardinalLolzy · 15/06/2021 12:23

Thanks so much FindTheTruth for keeping this thread updated.

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:21

AS said he did love the service in many ways, but there were problems. I was supported in many ways. “I would have left much earlier if I didn’t like my work in GIDS…” but this doesn’t mean I wouldn’t report concerns

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:19

YG suggests AS exit statement suggests he couldn’t keep up with the work
AS - no. There was a wait while my complaint about Polly’s comments were investigated
YG - my instructions are that you did not wish to raise a formal grievance
AS confirms this but says he was leaving

SpindleWhorl · 15/06/2021 12:18

YG might think she's being clever but she's nevertheless exposing a shambolic NHS service in charge of vulnerable children.

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:18

YG - would suggest you reached out to her in quite an improper way but will come onto that. Looks at AS’s exit interview.

AS - this is only my exit interview, when I raised complaint about homophobic comments …

YG - you talk about being unable to switch off etc. That’s the nature of the job isn’t it?
AS - no. The issue was not with my cases but my personal experience
YG - you’re raising these v serious issues for first time in an employment tribunal
AS - no. There had been 4/5 …

Meetings with ailsa swarbrick about homophobic comments

FindTheTruth · 15/06/2021 12:17

AS - I’d left the trust as a clinician but needed to process what had happened…I felt that because my safeguarding concerns hadn’t been taken seriously by anyone in the trust the very last thing i would do is to let Sonia know what had happened

Datun · 15/06/2021 12:16

@thirdfiddle

YY Datun. Why didn't you complain about the hostile and threatening attitudes to complaints in the service you are complaining about?
I know right! I'm mean I'm bloody frustrated listening to it, God knows what it's actually like going through it.

If there is relatively little written documentation about what happened, then isn't that quite understandable in terms of a whistleblowing case?

In which case, I imagine that personal testimony is going to be key, even if it's unprovable.