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GIDS being sued by their safeguarding lead.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/07/2020 14:54

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My Details

My name is Sonia Appleby. I am a qualified social worker (1981); adult psychoanalytic psychotherapist (I992); MSc. in health psychology, (research) and MBA. I have a long career safeguarding and protecting children in social care, health and as a children’s guardian in public and private proceedings.

I am currently the Named Professional for Safeguarding Children and the Safeguarding Children Lead at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust. I am therefore still employed by the Trust against which I am bringing my claim.

What is Safeguarding?

In all NHS trusts and organisations there are professionals such as myself, who work with other internal departments and external agencies to ensure there are 'root and branch' systems to keep patients and service users safe. This means responding to patient/service users' personal experiences, also including their environmental, familial, community/peer circumstances and sometimes any of the aforementioned domains could require the intervention of other professionals in different agencies. Safeguarding children and young people also concerns ensuring there is a sufficiently, healthy culture that does not unwittingly contribute to potential harm regarding the people who use and deliver NHS services.

Safeguarding within the Trust

My primary task is to ensure that clinicians protect their patients/service users from avoidable harm and are also able to recognize and appropriately respond to situations where under 18s are in need of safeguarding. My secondary task is challenge practices which are either harmful or could lead to harm. The Trust is commissioned by NHS England to deliver a National Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), which provides services for children and adolescents diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The treatments available also include "puberty blockers".

I have sought to ensure the principle of ''safeguarding children and young people'' is upheld whilst service users are being assessed and treated within the GIDS service.

My Claim

I lodged a whistle-blowing claim in November 2019 at the Central London Employment Tribunal. Since then I have made 2 applications to amend my claim as new information came to light.

In my claim, I allege that because I made "protected disclosures" to my line manager regarding concerns raised by GIDS staff ( that the health or safety of patients was being, had been or was likely to be endangered), I was subjected to detriments.

I allege these detriments are:

i) the Tavistock misused it's own procedures to besmirch me and therefore jeopardize the role of safeguarding within the Trust;

ii) there was an unwritten but mandated directive from the Tavistock management that safeguarding concerns should not be brought to my attention despite being the Trust Safeguarding Children Lead;

iii) and, clinicians were discouraged from reporting safeguarding concerns to me.

I also allege various other detriments.

Further to disclosures made to Newsnight by former staff, BBC Newsnight produced a programme focusing on the allegation that the Trust did not want to report any concerns to me. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51806962

and you can watch it here

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SpindleWhorl · 17/06/2021 11:27

The Tavistock's barrister YG is really pissing me off now. These are outrageously unfair accusations she's putting to SA.

I just read Ova's links and the recent letter from Dr Hilary Cass, chair of the independent inquiry into the Tavistock's GIDS, makes it clear that data is STILL not being properly collected let alone analysed for any remedy. Cass is making interim recommendations but she won't be fully reporting till next year. Says it's a massive job ahead.

(Thanks, Ova, for helping with my brain fog.)

To criticise SA for not doing this job on her own, back then, is bloody ludicrous.

FindTheTruth · 17/06/2021 11:19

SA - I did qualify my analysis by saying that there may be reasons why there may be differences between the services
YG - you are comparing to other CAMHS services, it's quite a dif model. It is receiving from CAMHS services rather than referring to. were you aware of that?

SA - yes I was aware of that... "but the point of my exercise was are we recognising s/g concerns ie when children are at risk and i heavily qualified that data analysis with a number of cautions."

SA - I asked the patient safety officer to establish with gids what their own processes were to record children with involvement with social care

FindTheTruth · 17/06/2021 11:18

(my note: WHY should safeguarding not be 'comparable' in all services?!!! FFS)

FindTheTruth · 17/06/2021 11:17

SA - i don't accept that it was a critical report. after the audit I asked for an appointment to be made with GIDS admin team and Garry Richardson to establish how many referrals were being made to social services

Audit had shown that in the last financial year GIDS had made 10 referrals and my baseline was that that seemed low in comparison to other service.
YG - You should have known that GIDS was not comparable to the other services

FindTheTruth · 17/06/2021 11:15

Hannah Barnes @hannahsbee

(HB: Apologies for any lack of clarity - I had to leave for personal reasons. Proceedings began at about 10:25 and I am now back and listening)

YG - referring to events of May 2018 - suggests SA has been 'anything but transparent'
SA - i was seeking to help and to be transparent. 'i copied in everyone i was asked to copy in... i wasn't collecting data and not being clear about it' (par 45)

YG - SA is surprised by results of the audit... what you don't do is set out what steps are going to be taken to look at the data or remedy any problems it has thrown up. It is - i suggest - just thrown out as criticism , without any positive analysis

FindTheTruth · 17/06/2021 10:47

Is anyone else in the court giving updates do we know?

FindTheTruth · 17/06/2021 10:47

Hannah Barnes
@hannahsbee
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59m
THREAD: DAY 4 – Sonia Appleby v Tavistock and Portman Trust employment Tribunal

SA - Sonia Appleby
YG - Yvette Genn, Tavi counsel
AP - Anya Palmer, SA counsel
EJG - employment judge Goodman

Questioning of SA by YG set to continue…

(HB: need to leave proceedings for a while…)

SpindleWhorl · 17/06/2021 09:48

Thank you, @OvaHere. I'll read those links now.

(I've got some thoughts coalescing around this. SA's case, and the nature and manner of the Tavistock's defence, are very, very significant I think given the ministerial / government involvement since 2018 in a blaze of publicity.)

OvaHere · 17/06/2021 09:19

*Cass not Case!

OvaHere · 17/06/2021 09:19

@SpindleWhorl

Does anyone remember the 'inquiry' ordered by then Minister Penny Mordaunt into the boom in the number of referrals of girls to GIDS/Tavistock? That was announced in September 2018.

As far as I'm aware, such an inquiry has never happened nor findings been published. Or has it been dressed up as something else?

I'm really curious about this.

This is presumably still ongoing. It's not clear whether Case will be specifically looking at female referrals though. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4030690-NHS-independent-review-into-childrens-gender-ID-services

The last update was a letter to NHS England in May in which Dr Cass said she aims to produce an interim report this summer and a full report next year.
cass.independent-review.uk/letter-to-nhs-england-may2021/

Reading the letter I'm not totally confident the right questions are being asked. We shall have to see what the interim report looks like.

SpindleWhorl · 17/06/2021 09:02

Does anyone remember the 'inquiry' ordered by then Minister Penny Mordaunt into the boom in the number of referrals of girls to GIDS/Tavistock? That was announced in September 2018.

As far as I'm aware, such an inquiry has never happened nor findings been published. Or has it been dressed up as something else?

I'm really curious about this.

stumbledin · 16/06/2021 22:54

Thanks for keeping us informed.

So far the only paper taking an interest seems to be the DM. Sad

StellaAndCrow · 16/06/2021 22:25

@Manderleyagain

Ovahere if you haven't already seen it there is a group of anon social workers called 'evidence based social work alliance'. They have had some success in opening up dialogue with the various professional bodies.
I see from Twitter that they are looking for social workers to support a gender critical motion at being proposed at the AGM of the British Association of Social Workers (BASW) - details here: twitter.com/ebswa/status/1404435081436053516
OvaHere · 16/06/2021 20:01

@Manderleyagain

Ovahere if you haven't already seen it there is a group of anon social workers called 'evidence based social work alliance'. They have had some success in opening up dialogue with the various professional bodies.
Ooh interesting thanks. I hadn't heard of them.
Manderleyagain · 16/06/2021 20:00

Ovahere if you haven't already seen it there is a group of anon social workers called 'evidence based social work alliance'. They have had some success in opening up dialogue with the various professional bodies.

OvaHere · 16/06/2021 19:02

@walkingthedog1

Hello, social worker sticking my head up. Social workers get cross examined in court in family proceedings, it's part of our job. I wouldn't expect her to be anything other than brilliant 😊
Good point.

Out of interest is there much talk about this case or the topic as whole in social work circles?

I've seen few dip a toe in the water recently on twitter and elsewhere but it feels like a group we haven't heard a lot from compared to clinicians, psychologists etc...

Do you think Sonia Appleby's case will change that?

NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 16/06/2021 17:49

So SA was approached by GIDS clinicians with safeguarding issues. I would assume that the clinicians tried to raise the issues with Gids safeguarding and PC. SA became increasingly uneasy, talked it through with her manger who said they'd talk to PCs manager. SAs manager didn't get back to SA on how to proceed, SA follows up. Someone else contacts SA, while waiting for her manager to update her she decides to contact PCs manager directly. PCs manager tells SA to talk to PC. PC feels attacked out of the blue by SA. Meanwhile there's evidence that Bernadette Wren had spoken about the issues with SAs manager.

The senior managers sound like they don't know what to do, SA ends up talking to PC. PC should have had these issues raised to her by her manager or Bernadette Wren.

TomatoesAreFruit · 16/06/2021 17:44

Sonia did seem very calm. Don't know anything about ETs but it does seem the strategy of the Tavi's lawyer is to discredit Sonia.

My understanding is that she is still employed in her role. She must be a very brave woman to carry on with her job whilst her employer's representives are taking this hostile approach.

I wonder if Dr Polly C will give evidence.

Manderleyagain · 16/06/2021 17:23

I think they might be trying to persuade the court that SA wasn't really worried about safeguarding issues at the time by saying that she would have done more had she been worried. And if she wasnt really worried back then, then that shows the claims about safeguarding concerns are retrospectively invented to back up her current claim that she was being sidelined for raising safeguarding concerns. So it is shroedingers safeguarding but directed at Sonia. I don't know and I hope it's not wrong to speculate about what they are trying to show.

Whatever it is Sonia is very calm and confident from the tweeting, and comes across to me as sure that she did the right thing. Not defensive. But I'm not neutral.

Thanks to those posting here.

Also well done again to hannah Barnes. I might be wrong but I suspect she's also caring for a child at the same time. She said she wld take breaks for child care, and at one point she comes back saying sorry I couldn't use my hands.

Anyway. Thanks busy women of the Internet!

Callmejudith · 16/06/2021 17:03

I've spent all day reading this thread. Thank you so much for the tweets.

teawamutu · 16/06/2021 16:45

@walkingthedog1

Hello, social worker sticking my head up. Social workers get cross examined in court in family proceedings, it's part of our job. I wouldn't expect her to be anything other than brilliant 😊
VG point, hadn't thought of that.
walkingthedog1 · 16/06/2021 16:42

Hello, social worker sticking my head up. Social workers get cross examined in court in family proceedings, it's part of our job. I wouldn't expect her to be anything other than brilliant 😊

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Outhere · 16/06/2021 16:36

@GrinitchSpinach

Sonia A comes across as calm, compassionate, and completely professional. Very impressive under hostile questioning.
Agreed. She's doing a brilliant job. I'm not sure what the other side are doing though. I appreciate we're not getting a full transcript but so far all it seems to be is several different versions of 'you're lying'.