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GIDS being sued by their safeguarding lead.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/07/2020 14:54

(Text from their crowdfunder)

My Details

My name is Sonia Appleby. I am a qualified social worker (1981); adult psychoanalytic psychotherapist (I992); MSc. in health psychology, (research) and MBA. I have a long career safeguarding and protecting children in social care, health and as a children’s guardian in public and private proceedings.

I am currently the Named Professional for Safeguarding Children and the Safeguarding Children Lead at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust. I am therefore still employed by the Trust against which I am bringing my claim.

What is Safeguarding?

In all NHS trusts and organisations there are professionals such as myself, who work with other internal departments and external agencies to ensure there are 'root and branch' systems to keep patients and service users safe. This means responding to patient/service users' personal experiences, also including their environmental, familial, community/peer circumstances and sometimes any of the aforementioned domains could require the intervention of other professionals in different agencies. Safeguarding children and young people also concerns ensuring there is a sufficiently, healthy culture that does not unwittingly contribute to potential harm regarding the people who use and deliver NHS services.

Safeguarding within the Trust

My primary task is to ensure that clinicians protect their patients/service users from avoidable harm and are also able to recognize and appropriately respond to situations where under 18s are in need of safeguarding. My secondary task is challenge practices which are either harmful or could lead to harm. The Trust is commissioned by NHS England to deliver a National Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), which provides services for children and adolescents diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The treatments available also include "puberty blockers".

I have sought to ensure the principle of ''safeguarding children and young people'' is upheld whilst service users are being assessed and treated within the GIDS service.

My Claim

I lodged a whistle-blowing claim in November 2019 at the Central London Employment Tribunal. Since then I have made 2 applications to amend my claim as new information came to light.

In my claim, I allege that because I made "protected disclosures" to my line manager regarding concerns raised by GIDS staff ( that the health or safety of patients was being, had been or was likely to be endangered), I was subjected to detriments.

I allege these detriments are:

i) the Tavistock misused it's own procedures to besmirch me and therefore jeopardize the role of safeguarding within the Trust;

ii) there was an unwritten but mandated directive from the Tavistock management that safeguarding concerns should not be brought to my attention despite being the Trust Safeguarding Children Lead;

iii) and, clinicians were discouraged from reporting safeguarding concerns to me.

I also allege various other detriments.

Further to disclosures made to Newsnight by former staff, BBC Newsnight produced a programme focusing on the allegation that the Trust did not want to report any concerns to me. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51806962

and you can watch it here

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rogdmum · 21/06/2021 15:52

Talking about Anna Hutchinson being concerned about Dr Webberley and a specific case (safeguarding concern- child on CSH and stunting growth concerns- wants to refer to social services) and PC saying she can understand why people use GenderGP.

Dr Sinha says he made a mental note of the concerns. He says he did take advice on individual concerns but did not feel appropriate to single out individual cases in his review report.

Where themes, says did seek advice where appropriate.

I’m unclear what he did about this specific case if anything. AP trying to get clarity. He says he can’t remember this particular case, but generally took these cases to HR.

33feethighandrising · 21/06/2021 15:40

rogdmum thanks :)

rogdmum · 21/06/2021 15:26

It’s pretty painful, TBH. They are talking about management style and whether Dr Sinha had made his expectations clear to SA re what he expected her to run past him and info she was requesting etc.

I’ll be popping in and out so can’t do a running summary but if anything interesting comes up I’ll post.

Masdintle · 21/06/2021 15:04

I'm really missing the live tweeting, where can we find out what's going on?

33feethighandrising · 21/06/2021 15:00

Are you able to keep us up to date this afternoon, @rogdmum?

Is there anyway the rest of us can listen in too? Or did you need to apply in advance?

rogdmum · 21/06/2021 14:57

I’m listening in at the moment. AP is trying to clarify the organisational structure with Dr Sinha and how safeguarding fits in.

It’s very noisy with someone drilling on the other side of the wall (I think it’s AP’s wall)!

ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 21/06/2021 12:59

@rogdmum

Allison’s tweet is correct, however, the judge made a bit of an unclear comment this morning about how the bundle can and cannot be used by those who have accessed, it so there’s a need to be a bit cautious about the info not covered in the live hearing until there’s clarity.
Thank you. It will be very interesting reading.
33feethighandrising · 21/06/2021 12:56

Hannah B's just tweeted that she may not be able to carry on the live tweeting this afternoon. Nooooo!

What will we do without her? Is anyone else tweeting?

33feethighandrising · 21/06/2021 12:50

I was quite surprised at how little Sonia's Barrister questioned her, is that normal?

rogdmum · 21/06/2021 12:41

Allison’s tweet is correct, however, the judge made a bit of an unclear comment this morning about how the bundle can and cannot be used by those who have accessed, it so there’s a need to be a bit cautious about the info not covered in the live hearing until there’s clarity.

ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 21/06/2021 12:19

@Manderleyagain

I'm not sure the witness statement are available online viperatthegates. Allison Bailey on twitter: "The witness statement and indeed the public facing ET bundle are in the public domain and will remains so for the duration of the tribunal. It remains to be seen whether the link will be widely publicised. I don't think it's my place to tweet it out."

I guess trial documents are public so journalists can see them, but not necessarily made available to everyone online.

Thanks, I read from that that there is an open link, I just don't know how to find it!
Manderleyagain · 21/06/2021 12:18

I'm not sure the witness statement are available online viperatthegates. Allison Bailey on twitter:
"The witness statement and indeed the public facing ET bundle are in the public domain and will remains so for the duration of the tribunal. It remains to be seen whether the link will be widely publicised. I don't think it's my place to tweet it out."

I guess trial documents are public so journalists can see them, but not necessarily made available to everyone online.

SpindleWhorl · 21/06/2021 11:39

@CrazyNeighbour

YG refers to a letter (368) - it makes clear that it's an informal meeting,

There is no such thing as an informal meeting where HR are present. How would one differentiate between this informal and formal.
Saying “oh this is informal” whilst “anything you say will be taken as evidence and may be used against you” is also in force is really saying one thing whilst doing another.

Well exactly, and YG and the employment tribunal judge surely know that? As does the Tavistock of course.
ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 21/06/2021 11:19

I haven't RTFT (been following on twitter) but does anyone have the link to the witness statements please?

CrazyNeighbour · 21/06/2021 11:15

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InvisibleDragon · 21/06/2021 10:38

YG - Meeting w Dr Sinha July 2019. You were expecting to meeting his to discuss voluntary redundancy?
SA - Yes
YG - ... even though your role wasn't redundancy, was it?

SA - no. my job wasn't redundant but i was responding to a previous scheme the trust had in place, but when i spoke to HR in June they advised the scheme was no longer in place but should talk to line manager..

SA says her impression was that it would be an informal 1 -2-1 meeting but it didn't turn out to be the case. Representative from HR was also there...

(Just lost a lot of tweets)

SA has said that it's quite understandable for a line manager to discuss any concerns raised, but it is not informal to have an HR representative present at a meeting and for it to be made clear that a note will be kept on her personal file.

YG refers to a letter (368) - it makes clear that it's an informal meeting, purpose to discuss an alleged comment to fellow staff members reported during GIDS review - referring to a 'Jimmy Savile situation.'

(Meeting adjourned for a short time to assist with some technical difficulties)

InvisibleDragon · 21/06/2021 10:19

Hearing should be starting again shortly ...
twitter.com/hannahsbee/status/1406902574897414149?s=19

THREAD: DAY 5 – Sonia Appleby v Tavistock and Portman Trust employment Tribunal

SA - Sonia Appleby
YG - Yvette Genn, Tavi counsel
AP - Anya Palmer, SA counsel
EJG - employment judge Goodman

Questioning of SA by YG set to continue, but some technical difficulties at the mo…

NotBadConsidering · 18/06/2021 12:49

Dr Churcher Clarke - was concerned about a GIDS patient who was convicted of sex offending and wanted to transition, in part so they wouldn't be recognised. Concern that this was not viewed as a safeguarding issue.

WTAF? This is someone under 18 doing this and considered not a safeguarding issue?! Shocking.

GrandmaMazur · 18/06/2021 12:04

@Boadicea2

Resumes on Monday according to BluskyeAllison
Thank you!
unwashedanddazed · 18/06/2021 11:46

Sorry, ignore my post. This thread is too important to derail. My flabber was just so gasted!

unwashedanddazed · 18/06/2021 11:43

A male offender with a GRC, no matter the conviction, will not have the usual risk [assessment] tool for sexual offenders used because this cannot be used with women. There is no such tool for use with women

This is insane. Surely nobody believes that a GRC actually makes a man into a woman. Everyone understands reality, don't they?

Don't they?

Boadicea2 · 18/06/2021 11:33

Resumes on Monday according to BluskyeAllison

GrandmaMazur · 18/06/2021 11:14

Is the case continuing today?

NecessaryScene · 18/06/2021 07:57

5/ Dr Churcher Clarke - was concerned about a GIDS patient who was convicted of sex offending and wanted to transition, in part so they wouldn't be recognised. Concern that this was not viewed as a safeguarding issue.

There was another jawdropping response to this tweet. Remember, people, a GRC is just "admin":

A male offender with a GRC, no matter the conviction, will not have the usual risk [assessment] tool for sexual offenders used because this cannot be used with women. There is no such tool for use with women.

twitter.com/NoXYinXXprisons/status/1405591733531025413

Signalbox · 17/06/2021 19:54

How does YG interpret that as ‘nobody is telling you not to go to Sonia’ ??

They haven't.

The Tavi's case appears to be that there was absolutely no pressure on clinicians not to go to SA.

I imagine their strategy is to just keep putting their case over and over again in the hope that the witness is inconsistent in their response in some way and then they can use that to suggest that this is an unreliable witness.