Showing that feminists don't all hate heterosexual male sexuality

from a weird OP this has become a really interesting thread.

@BigGee I'm sorry about your FIL that must be really scary.

There's been some great comments, I tell DS he is my pudding, but he thinks I'm a fruitcake!

Way back in the days when I was on Twitter to MRAs always used to pull out 50 Shades of Grey when women would take exception to things like rape porn on Pornhub, whether it was real or acted who knows? Or some really disturbing ad campaigns. The one that I remember was for a watch company I think which displayed a man's had around a womans throat complete with huge blingy watch which was eventually pulled because of the uproar.

Someone upthread, sorry I can't remember who put it best. our socialisation is damaging our deelopment and our sexuality.

It's a very silly place.

Perhaps for Chris Hemsworth to truly appear non dominant the koala would have to be holding Chris?

What did you talk about in FWR today?

Giant koalas attacking Chris Hemsworth. Natch.

Help!

Adult koalas are quite scary so one big enough to lift a Hemsworth wouldn't be OK by me.

Perhaps for Chris Hemsworth to truly appear non dominant the koala would have to be holding Chris?

It's such a shame that tenderness and softness in a male is now sneered at. I don't understand the lack of nuance in any part of life nowadays. My husband spent most of yesterday fretting and tearful because his Dad had been blue lighted to hospital after a fall, and they live 500 miles away from us so we couldn't do anything but wait. Does that make him "weak"? If it does, then I'd suggest that it makes the person who comes to that conclusion a complete sociopath.

The first and only time I ever thought much too bulky and macho for me Chris Hemsworth was attractive was when I saw a photo of him cuddling and feeding a rescued baby koala. I'm sure we will be told that this actually shows dominance in some previously undetermined way.

How many women go gaga over the classic "dad with new baby" type images we see every time a sleb reproduces? Everyone screes cos a man is showing tenderness to his own newborn. It's what he's supposed to do! Maybe those who like 'em dominant would prefer them to swing them by the feet into the nearest wall? Would that be assertive enough?

It's all just so boring, the idea that men and women have to perform this sort of exaggerated gendered behavior at each other in order to get a shag. If that's what someone is into then that's up to them but do try not to impose your preference on everyone you meet, that's just bad manners.

May be worth reflecting too on the 'gentleman' values from Regency/ Victorian times, so going back a couple of hundred years, which prized restraint, keeping of temper, gentleness of manner to others, respect and consideration to others etc. And which in turn were rooted in the values of Chivalry, which go back about 800 years further, and again expected certain restraints and values to do with self control and self discipline among men. And which were invented by men for a culture of men, not created and inflicted by a group of females.

Aye, Kittens. And the women of FWR especially well known for that trait amirite.

Isn't it weird how considerate and thoughtful men are seen as "weak"? It's like they can't be considerate and thoughtful whilst still being capable of throwing a 50kg bag of compost over their shoulder and carrying it to the garden, or entering and completing a triathalon. Humans are wonderfully diverse and interesting creatures, if you stop trying to pigeon hole them into your stupid little boxes and actually appreciate them for the fully formed, well rounded people that they are. Male or female, everyone is capable of being emotional, of being ruthless, of being competitive, of being tearful, of being fearful, of being assertive, of being aggressive, of being loving.

"Interesting" idea that men who act respectful towards women are weak, btw.

"There's literally hundreds, but I can't link you to any of them, because reasons, but I know they exist and you should believe me, because women love submitting."

Also important to differentiate between sexual dominance/submission and other areas of life, tbh.

Financial domination? Legal domination? Moral domination?

Less likely to be appealing to most women, I would say.

Sex is a different realm altogether.

All the debate along the lines of women are suppressing males who need to be aggressive, controlling, brutal, rapey, whatever, are merely pulling out all the sexism again.

It sees females as enablers, not equals entitled to equal value, equal feelings, equal needs, equal consideration. It sees females getting out of their enabling role as harming and oppressing males. It sees males as the more important group and seeks to get females focused back on nurturing them and tolerating grotty behaviour because poor little loves, they need to be grotty to be happy and females are primarily support humans.

It's just a nice version of Rachel McKinnon talking about women needing to 'learn to cope with' sex they don't enjoy and don't want, because of their social duty to provide males with their desired sexual experiences. Men have a right to enjoy sex; women just have a duty to serve the man and meet his needs.

'Theres literally hundereds of papaers and studies.'

So, one or two links would be great.

If weak men are more your cup of tea then each to their own.

In a nutshell.

There is no one type or right way to do it, some women may enjoy submitting to a dominant man, some men enjoy submitting to a dominant woman judging by the vast amount of porn on it, some like to do it as sex play, some like it full time, some aren't interested at all.

It's the massive generalisations that don't work, suggesting that all women want to submit to a caveman and just need taking in hand, which is obviously not true. The red pill stuff largely doesn't turn women on from what I've seen, it more tends to produce an eye roll and loss of all interest on the spot, with a get off you strange bastard to follow.

It's also perfectly possible to enjoy a fantasy book as a fantasy book without this being something you want to live in real life. I quite like Lochinvar, but anyone trying to toss me over a saddle is going to get less melting submission than his lights punched out I'm afraid.

And also an excuse for oppressing women through religion etc.

"Women want to submit to a dominant man" isn't a description of reality, it's a sales pitch.

It's male wishful thinking, that they want to be true.