Showing that feminists don't all hate heterosexual male sexuality

Deal

He's all yours, Sophocles. Just leave me Keanu.....

If no one else in the thread wants Hemsworth, I’ll happily take him off your hands. I like a burly fella. Not remotely attracted to aggressive ultra macho types though. I work with a lot (investment banking) and it all just screams desperate insecurity- mummy issues, worry over seeming gay, anxiety over size, who knows? These are not attractive traits.

From an unpromising start, this thread has got it all!

I was swooningly in love with both David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson when I was a wee x files nerd. Both utterly gorgeous - she has definitely aged better though.

I suppose I'd look at someone who found child-like helplessness sexually stimulating in an entirely different light. Not a particularly flattering one, either.

a friend once shyly admitted that his fantasy woman was sarah beaney of channel 4 property programmes. when pressed as to why, he mentioned her aura of brisk competence. so maybe it's not just women who are attracted to someone who looks to be doing a decent job of adulting?

Floralbunting is on form!

Excellent posts.

Gillian Anderson has been my husband's fantasy women forever, and he thought her portrayal of Scully was incredibly sexy and attractive. He remembers being pissed off about the FHM cover as he liked having her to himself!!! Suddenly every male friend was going "gosh, I had no idea she was so gorgeous". It put his nose right out of joint.

I remember that, Bernard. It's one of the reasons why there was such a kerfuffle when she did the FHM cover in her undies - lots of "My god, she took off her glasses and clothes and now she's stunning!" I don't really get Duchovny, he's a bit rubber faced, she no way was she ever not in his league. But she was presented as buttoned up, career focused, sceptical of all the conspiracy stuff. Not sexy.

agreed regarding men's orgasms and the responsibility for them

back to GA for a moment. I rewatched all 8 original series of the x-files recently. i picked up an underlying assumption that Mulder was super hot and Scully wasn't quite in his league, and that was part of the reason for the 'will they won't they' tension

apparently after series 1 there were moves to replace GA with someone more stereotypically attractive

funny old world innit? I mean she's beautiful, right? I wonder if the attitudes were because she was carrying a bit more weight back then?

i think it's a good thing to take an active interest in your partner getting sexual pleasure, even if they are a man.

Absolutely - but my concern extends no further than to my DH. As a lesbian, Floral is entirely justified in giving no fucks in any sense for the pleasure of menfolk.

i think it's a good thing to take an active interest in your partner getting sexual pleasure, even if they are a man.

Absolutely - but my concern extends no further than to my DH. As a lesbian, Floral is entirely justified in giving no fucks in any sense for the pleasure of menfolk.

Sorry, got distracted by the cat, who jumped past my head while constructing that last sentence which now doesn't make sense!

Bernard, in your own intimate relationship? Sure. I would say that is, in fact, the only context in which a man's orgasm is especially relevant really. But in the context of the thread, which although the OP has moved away from, then honestly, I don't really think that reassuring anyone that the sexuality of men is a concern to feminists is a thing.

why does nobody care about my leopard slugs and their mucus balloon

I found it strangely mesmerising and stomach churning at the same time. Good for the diet though

AGAINST COUPLING

I write in praise of the solitary act:
of not feeling a trespassing tongue
forced into one’s mouth, one’s breath
smothered, nipples crushed against the
rib-cage, and that metallic tingling
in the chin set off by a certain odd nerve:

unpleasure. Just to avoid those eyes would help-
such eyes as a young girl draws life from,
listening to the vegetal
rustle within her, as his gaze
stirs polypal fronds in the obscure
sea-bed of her body, and her own eyes blur

. There is much to be said for abandoning
this no longer novel excercise-
for now ‘participating in
a total experience’-when
one feels like the lady in Leeds who
had seenThe Sound Of Musiceighty-six times;

or more, perhaps, like the school drama mistress
producingA Midsummer Night’s Dream
for the seventh year running, with
yet another cast from 5B.
Pyramus and Thisbe are dead, but
the hole in the wall can still be troublesome.

I advise you, then, to embrace it without
encumberance. No need to set the scene,
dress up (or undress), make speeches.
Five minutes of solitude are
enough-in the bath, or to fill
that gap between the Sunday papers and lunch.

Fleur Adcock

i dunno floral. i think it's a good thing to take an active interest in your partner getting sexual pleasure, even if they are a man. (i realise this sounds a little snarky, not meant to).

there's priorities and priorities aren't there? so day to day normal life, no, getting your jollies shouldn't be a priority. that leads to people wearing their rubbish fetish gear to work and photographing themselves in the loo.

but in the sack, yeah, I think it should be a priority, along with your own pleasure of course.

We could do with some nice Gillian Anderson pictures after the slimy slugs and evil koalas.

Bernard, yes, they would definitely be the ones expected to care. Though I'd hope, from a feminist perspective, that they wouldn't really be a priority, except to examine how the obsession with them leads to the oppression of women.

I'm very much not a lesbian but am feeling the Gillian Anderson love. obviously she was a goddess in the x files, but even though Sex Education tips over into Post Modernist tosh more often than not, I'm really enjoying her work in that

i'm not sure men's orgasms need to be on lesbians' to do list. i think that's one that it's OK to let men and their respective partners worry about

Bigger, I was thinking the same, tbh. Although I'm very amused at being scolded for not caring if men have any orgasms. Indeed, why would anyone respect a lesbian who didn't care about that, eh?😆

Do I get deleted for yawning? All this talk of snail sex has exhausted me.

Alison: Sex drive, fine, I can accept males have a higher sex drive.

The 2nd one - I can't access it to see the refs. The study itself was apparently on outcomes of submissiveness (negative) not incidence or prevalence. Any thing more relevant?

Ok Alison here’s one for you
In our cul de sac are 3 girls of a similar age (one being mine) they have all lived here since birth and every year between the ages of 3 and 10 they have played in a paddling pool set up in the front garden. At the age of 10 2 of the girls were playing and number 3 came round to say she couldn’t join in any more as her Dad said she wasn’t allowed to wear shorts or a swimming costume in public now she was 10.
Another one, DD dumped her first boyfriend last year when he suggested she get changed as he felt her jeans were a bit tight and her top a bit revealing (they weren’t)
Just 2 of the many incidents I have witnessed or being subjected to but as long as you personally haven’t Alison then clearly it never happens

why anyone would require a source when this is generally stuff thats not disputed i dont know

this is stuff that's generally disputed

fyi

you're welcome