Showing that feminists don't all hate heterosexual male sexuality

I'm still waiting for the data from the hundreds and hundreds of studies showing women are naturally submissive. Get in line!

Ha! Thanks errol! I was a bit surprised

I meant to query Alison, not you Quentin - and should have worded it as 'more safe from men than in the past'. As you say, it's not a good argument even if it was true but I'm dubious as to whether there's data supporting that stance.

See also, "it isn't Somalia". I know. neglecting the fact that women still live in Somalia (just not me) and that just because it's better than Somalia, doesn't mean women aren't being abused here.

Are women less safe from men now than in the past? Is there reliable data on this?
I don't think I was clear. Whether or not women are safer now than in the past is not really relevant to the discussion about safe spaces. Women were and remain less safe than men in mixed spaces. So women need women only spaces to maximise their spaces.
E.g. www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html%3famp

Sometimes people cartoon feminism as "things are better for women now, no need for feminism" and ignore the fact women are at significant disadvantages compared to men and so there is still work to be done.

I'm a blokeophile feminist. I like & fancy a good bloke, me. I know I'm lucky I'm with one. I'll go up ladders, clear the garden, repoint the brickwork. So will he. He'll do dinner, washing up, laundry, loo clean. So will I. We both work together too, at the same thing, different skills combining to create a result. Ok I want nothing to do with the inner workings of technology and he is terrified by the very thought of sewing a button back on. This is how you can tell us apart (we're the same height, both have long hair and can rock the same velvet jacket)!

These are talking points that were at the request of a feminist

How do you know I'm a feminist? What is a feminist anyway?

And no, not engaging with that lot of MRA claptrap since you can't be buggered to even think through that list properly and check your facts.

Are women less safe from men now than in the past? Is there reliable data on this?

Females are the safest they've ever been in history yet go on about how they're less safe???
Less safe THAN MEN.

Ahhhhhh. Rousing.

Damn, my headphones are downstairs - I do like the sound of a good male voice choir - that had better be a Welsh one - but no point listening at low volume.

Funnily enough, I moved away from the right, towards the left, and then away again.

Shall we all have a game of the hokey cokey?

Right?
Don’t see the need for women’s rights? Grand. Off you pop, love. Nothing for you here unless you’ve just come to goad.

I just don’t really understand why people go to the effort of coming to a feminist website to tell women that they don’t need feminism.

I have thankfully not suffered severely due to workplace inequalities or serious sexual assault, but I’ve been frighteningly harassed on a train as a student and during a sole charge night shift at work. I’ve worked somewhere that did the risk assessment for pregnancy but still expected me to work on my feet for 4 hours without a break and lift weights of up to 20kg.

I’ve had to do all sorts of juggling to keep my job throughout coronavirus and try to get some education into my children. I have had 3 babies and 2 miscarriages (one with an A&E admission due to haemorrhage). I developed an immune disorder which was poorly managed for the first year or so (possible cause of miscarriages) and dismissed by doctors as a new mum/breastfeeding issue but at least I have not needed mesh reconstruction or been treated with teratogenic drugs.
I have daughters who already ask questions about body weight and an eldest already freaking out about puberty. I worry about what the world will be like as they grow up.

I am a woman with a happy marriage, a job and healthy children in a western country. I am very fortunate and yet I am not immune to issues that only affect women. I can certainly empathise with those who are more severely impacted by their sex. Yes, the law provides ‘equality’ in the strictest sense, but there is still a lot to do to improve life and opportunities for women and girls.

If male sex lives are a problem, let them campaign and sort themselves out, we’re busy enough.

(A somewhat ironic cross post...)

So, you clearly didn't understand the comment about 'Male default' and driving cars; my recommendation to read 'Invisible Women' stands.

You're really not very well informed about the topics you're trying to talk about.
The 'equality' questions ... you're just skating on the surface of what should be, rather than trying to understand the reality for many women.

The problem is no one likes believing their views could be wrong, the least we owe to other women is to consider them carefully. Ive moved strongly away from the left for moral reasons and have had to come to some sharp realisations the past decade or so.

Go on, do the one about coal miners, I always enjoy that one. We could have a soundtrack of Men of Harlech from a male voice choir to add pathos.

Men and women obviously are different in terms of their personalities. I guess the main thing I don't understand is why so many women are so eager to spend LESS time with their children. As that has always been something ive been so grateful for I cant understand why other women want to hand off so much of this precious time in favour of going to work. Its like 'go to work or spend time with kids more' hmm?

Ah, MRA talking points. Make me misty eyed with nostalgia.

a) Equal pay: Men and women are paid the same money. THIS IS LAW. If you feel you are being paid unfairly the system thats in place means you can take the employer to court and be awarded compensation for your injustice. I bet seeing as you want things to be equal you'd also encourage the porn industry to slash the womens pay to equal it out for the men a bit? Equality and all...

b) Safe spaces: This is a ridiculous thing brought about by the left to allow trans people into the space that they identify as. While I think it is wrong to assume people are who they identify as, this policy kind of makes me laugh as its the same identity politics game the feminists play just on a different pitch.
Regardless, its not really a safety issue at all, and most females know fine well theres no evidence they would be any less safe because of this, not to mention trans people have used female bathrooms for years without fuss. Females are the safest they've ever been in history yet go on about how they're less safe???

c)Equality of healthcare: I dont know where you picked this up from, but im entitled to the same healthcare as my DH and my DS is entiled to the same as DD. What does this even mean??

d)Equality of Justice: Again what does this even mean. The justice system doesnt discriminate. We pride ourselves on this system.

e) Equality of political representation: Why political representation? Why not equality of bricklayers? Because all your after is power maybe? Political representation should never by decided based on the person having a vagina. We elect people based on competence not group identity.

I’ve been in that space of thinking “well the world has broadly worked out for me and I haven’t experienced any obvious problems, so it can’t be that bad for everyone else.” Someone took the time to take me to task, and for the record yes it was over feminism. I know I must have been as frustrating as hell to argue with, however I did at least go away educate myself and of course apologise admitting I was wrong.

Me to - and as it happens, it was a bloke on a pre WWW internet debate forum who got me to realise 'I'm all right, Jill' didn't cut it.

It really isn’t my place to critique feminism. I agree with some of it some of it less so, although that may be just down to me simply not understanding certain things, but I will say if enough people are dissatisfied with society in any of its aspects it behooves is all to at least listen and engage.

Wether that’s feminism, black lives matter or whichever group believes they are disadvantaged. As an absolute bare minimum I want to live in a world where people can express their grievances and feel the rest of the world is willing to listen and take.

I’ve been in that space of thinking “well the world has broadly worked out for me and I haven’t experienced any obvious problems, so it can’t be that bad for everyone else.” Someone took the time to take me to task, and for the record yes it was over feminism. I know I must have been as frustrating as hell to argue with, however I did at least go away educate myself and of course apologise admitting I was wrong.

If you still feel like you need additional rights above that of men

I don't think feminists in general do. What additional rights have you seen anyone ask for?

In the context of the U.K., we ostensibly have legal equality, but in many fields this does not equate to equal outcome. One of the main reasons for this is that, as yet, men in general don't accept equal responsibility in many areas e.g child raising, domestic tasks, or blaming women for men's violence (let alone sexual frustrations).