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Munroe Bergdorf

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ripples101 · 06/07/2020 21:34

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

  • Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 00:06

Can I be the captain of Team Snark? We'll also need a Team Can't Be Arsed and a Team Do It Yourself.

notyourhandmaid · 07/07/2020 00:05

ripples101, I've read some of your other posts here so I know this is not the first time you've seen this happen with other trans people by a long shot, but I'm sorry that you've had another reminder of just how authoritarian this all is. The ideology is so toxic.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/07/2020 00:04

I didn't get 'hissing venom' from that tweet, tbh, more like oozing contempt (while pretending all those words, not just 'white', convey privilege).

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 07/07/2020 00:01

You can almost hear Munroe hissing the words 'cis, straight, white women' with venom

How, from that screenshot do you get she's hissing venom?
It was just a comment, what do you get from try to paint someone like that?
We're clearly reading different comments.
I read no malice.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 00:01

Dynamic and Effective could be Apprentice Team names.

PamDenick · 07/07/2020 00:00

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 23:58

I'm going to need a summary of the salary and benefits package for this position before deciding whether or not I want to submit an application.

It would have to be mighty impressive for me!

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 06/07/2020 23:56

Just stuff MB had retweeted, really, Kittens.

And yes, JKR is more magnificnt by the day. I hope she's alright.

Cis Woman Ally? Is that an eighties pop hair band?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 23:54

I'm going to need a summary of the salary and benefits package for this position before deciding whether or not I want to submit an application.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 23:52

Love that it's not even enough to bow to gender and "speak up" as a "cis woman" ally against your obstinate gender-unconvinced peers, you have to have a performance review to see whether it was "dynamic and effective" Grin

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 23:51

It was clear!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 23:49

Yes, sorry I could have made that clearer!

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 23:45

Rowling is speaking for me. The person groveling for Munroe's approval, no.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 23:44

Btw, Munroe, I'm happy to say she is and is speaking for most of us.

Apileofballyhoo · 06/07/2020 23:41

Biological woman advantages my arse. Fuck's sake.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/07/2020 23:40
  • I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left.*

Maybe - and I'm not suggesting this is easy - more trans people like you need to represent yourselves, and claim your own space? There are some who do - maybe they're who you should identify alongside?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 23:39

Here is a woman desperately trying to be an 'ally' to Munroe and Munroe's reply.

Haha, suck it up, dear.

Winesalot · 06/07/2020 23:37

@ScrimpshawTheSecond

Crikey, there is some hysterical stuff going on on Twitter. I just had a squizz. Lots of capital letters. Massive tantrums.
And JKR is relentless.
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 23:37

Point us in the right direction, Scrimshaw? I'd assume media coverage would lead to toys out of pram but if there are particularly entertaining examples please share!

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 06/07/2020 23:35

Crikey, there is some hysterical stuff going on on Twitter. I just had a squizz. Lots of capital letters. Massive tantrums.

HH160bpm · 06/07/2020 23:31

It reminds me of the Pope slap.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 06/07/2020 23:30

Hopefully rosie can take the high road

HH160bpm · 06/07/2020 23:28

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RufustheRowlingReindeer · 06/07/2020 23:26

I bet that wasnt the response rosie was expecting

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 23:24

The danger of taking that position is that when people realize that nothing will ever be enough some/many of them will stop trying.

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