Munroe Bergdorf

The OP voiced a legitimate concern which was then dismissed by a number of posters dismissing OPs concerns and focusing on MB.

It is shocking.

And we now are joined by few posters who have been less than honest in previous threads who are trying to twist the narrative.

I'm sorry, OP. Your concerns are valid and should not be dismissed by people who cannot see past their own agenda on gender (not sex).

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell posters off for bad etiquette in the same post that they're accusing someone who hasn't shared their ethnicity of white frailty.

Home2018 accused the whole thread of being white, and OP didn't feel like weighing in then?

Seen that a lot, as in asking a question that I as a white person thinks is a genuine question, I can see why people who aren't white get tired of explaining.

Average person of colour getting tired of explaining and simply refusing to engage? Absolutely, completely understandable. Someone who has set themselves up as an activist, at least in part, and who is a public figure? Boring explanations are the least difficult part and tiring part of actual effective activism.

In the midst of the BLM protests, with POC in the US, the UK and beyond having their voices heard and maybe even listened to by mainstream society in an unprecedented way, a rich white person pops up, seemingly oblivious to what is going on in the world around her, to grab the spotlight for her own reasons. MB, a POC, is perfectly within their rights to find this irritating in and of itself, regardless of anything else.

In the midst of a wide range of other issues, a woman who has very clearly thoroughly researched the misogynist strain within trans activism, has spoken up about something that impacts on women and children. Yes, how dare she. How dare she have 'her own reasons' to care about something, whereas anyone supporting BLM... what, exactly?

There will always be a reason to tell women to shut up.

Top is quoting MadBadDaddy, bold function fail

You didn't ask anything constructive about MB's post, you just displayed pettyness and white-fragility and got blocked for it instead of having a POC explain to a white person what racial privilege is

Been following the Black Lives Matters hashtag and blog posts past few weeks, reading articles etc.
I've seen that a lot.
(I KNOW this isn't to do with MB, before anyone starts. but it is to do with what OP asked.)
Seen that a lot, as in asking a question that I as a white person thinks is a genuine question, I can see why people who aren't white get tired of explaining.
Especially if they were to get the Why would you assume that because someone is white they have privilege? That's actually racist I did at the beginning of the thread on answering. You can see why they'd probably think "oh feck offffff" and not answer/block.
As I said, pre-empting all the crap.
No idea if the OP is white or not of course, but it does come across as "an explain to me" question.

Um, has the OP actually said that they are white?

Can you show white-fragility if you're not white?

head actually explodes

I do hope to hear more from Home2018 though, if she can stomach it

There was some great points well made from Home2018

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OP it is obvious from the first few lines of your post why you were blocked. You didn't ask anything constructive about MB's post, you just displayed pettyness and white-fragility and got blocked for it instead of having a POC explain to a white person what racial privilege is. Again. You have no-one to blame but yourself. It had nothing to do with being trans, women's rights, or even JKR.

In the midst of the BLM protests, with POC in the US, the UK and beyond having their voices heard and maybe even listened to by mainstream society in an unprecedented way, a rich white person pops up, seemingly oblivious to what is going on in the world around her, to grab the spotlight for her own reasons. MB, a POC, is perfectly within their rights to find this irritating in and of itself, regardless of anything else.

Home2018 pointed out this and more in a powerful, humbling post and was almost entirely ignored or misconstrued, and from the looks of it gave up, and I can't say I blame them. What should have brought the thread back to the point (ie "Why oh why was I banned by the beastly MB?) and maybe provoked some reflection and humility instead devolved into crude talk about sports privilege, bird privilege, what-exactly-do-we-mean-by-privilege? You even quoted and questioned her without name-checking, which seems like bad etiquette if nothing else, and I know what that feels like.

OP I'm trans, and know almost nothing about MB, but from what you have written I don't support you. I do hope to hear more from Home2018 though, if she can stomach it.

God forbid a woman should be unhelpful to MB.

Does anyone else feel they’ve entered the Twilight Zone when it comes to reading MB?

Unfortunately, there's a lot of really unhelpful feminism out there

Sorry that it's so unhelpful to you, Munroe Bergdorf. We'll try to better centre Munroe Bergdorf issues in future. we won't

How much male privilege or lack of it, do you think, is required to tell females not to mention their own biological issues at a women's march?

Yes, as in she won't have the exact same level of male privilege she grew up with due to transitioning.

In what sense? Can you quantify the amount of male privilege which remains?

This was the post you agreed with Lemonade, you specifically say you agree with the point that Bergdorf had male privilege and now doesn’t

Yes, as in she won't have the exact same level of male privilege she grew up with due to transitioning.
Doesn't mean she won't face oppression or lose some of the privilege.

My mistake, the one I was thinking of was Grazia, not Glamour. MB has written other how to woman better articles for Glamour though.

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/968439202462470144?s=20

graziadaily.co.uk/life/opinion/munroe-bergdorf-women-getting-feminism-wrong/

Amusing summary by Meghan Murphy:

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/27/munroe-bergdorf-like-please-keep-vaginas-feminism/

I’d read that Glamour article to get a handle on what MB thinks of women.

Do you think all dissenting opinions are the same person or something?
Genuinely baffled!
Read back, only last page. Someone said "Lemonade still hasn't answered this question" - so I did.
I don't even bloody remember what Home said about it, as I'm not them.
We're separate.
This is batshit

People who think poor MB has no male privilege need to give their head a wobble.

I'm nor sure that you actually understand what privilege means in a social construction context Lemonade.

It's not Monopoly money. You don't just retain a bit, lose a bit and it not make a jot of difference to anyone in the world other than who you're playing against at that moment in time.

“ It also doesn't centre the needs of black women, of sex workers, of the people that really need feminism the most which is the most oppressed cross sections of society. So, I believe that feminism needs to lift up people that are on the front lines when it comes to sexual violence which are people that engage in sex work whether or not that's for survival or choice, not just sex slavery of sex trafficking. But also, trans women, disabled women, people that are often overlooked within society or have the least rights need the most access to feminism.”

I feel she’s co-opting and misrepresenting and she’s getting away with it because of ignorant sloppy journalism.

The poster Home, that you were high fiving, said that Bergdorf no longer "had privilege over cis women". Please explain how

Eh?
I'm not Home.
I have agreed with Home on the thread though over some points.
I replied to a question put to me that I answered.
What, because I agreed with Home earlier in the thread, that means I was high fiving and automatically agreeing with everything they said?
Eh?
Rational.