Munroe Bergdorf

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell anyone off, quite frankly, and I will treat it with the respect it deserves.

Is this what you mean? I will treat your act of telling anyone else off with the respect that deserves. i.e. none. And I think you have just vindicated me in that opinion. I'd like an apology for your misreading of my post, please. I think it's you who has had too much to drink, rather.

'with a vested interest in winding back trans healthcare'

What is this referring to please?

How weird, it seems I can't post a link to Lipstick Alley as somewhere along the line it's duplicating the address. You can copy and paste the first post if you want to see it.

www.lipstickalley.com/threads/transgender-model-munroe-bergdorf-i-don’t-feel-safe-because-of-other-women.2219373/

Lipstick Alley is not having it

www.lipstickalley.com/threads/transgender-model-munroe-bergdorf-i-don’t-feel-safe-because-of-other-women.2219373/

I think this was MBs actual Instagram post that OP is referring to:
"I want to remind everyone that J.K. Rowling is an author of fiction. She is not an expert on this subject, she is a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual white woman with a vested interest in winding back trans healthcare. First it'll be the kids, then it'll be the adults.J.K. Rowling is dangerous"

Out of all the myriad ways OP could have engaged with that post, OP chose the word 'white' and expected....what exactly?

I'm not on Twitter but what does MB do when people tweet MB about all the feminist activism going on around the world?

I mean seriously, MB believes all global feminist orgs are working for white women? I mean that's a seriously narrow view.

As for 'producing' babies. I mean how insulting to women in general, and especially all the women and girls who are raped, have no choices, have no support, the women and girls who die or are seriously injured in childbirth, or chained to a man they didn't choose and hate.

I love Lipstick Alley. They take no prisoners at all.

MB really needs to spend some time on Lipstick Alley if MB thinks only white women have a problem with MB thinking MB can tell women to STFU about their reproductive issues on Women's March or, you know, more generally.

Huh. I think that says more about you than it does about me

Oh really? I give that exactly the same amount of respect as referred to in my previous comment, and I don't think everyone sees what you do.

How am I "twisting the narrative"

Interesting that you think that's referring to you.

Oh fuck that post of mine was long!

Bang on though.

The reason MB brought racism into it was because it was easier than addressing what JKR actually said about her experiences as a woman.

I imagine there's something of a pattern here.

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell posters off

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell anyone off, quite frankly, and I will treat it with the respect it deserves.

I agree heist the problem is that MB view that women should STFU about biology is given column inches etc etc

'JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm'

We have discussed on the thread that men are the ones who cause the harm.
We have discussed that women experience and have experienced oppression globally due to their sex.

Who is dangerous? Globally?
Who causes harm?
How is being female in the world we are in, a state of privilege?
White women aren't allowed to talk about being a woman, being in poverty, being sexually exploited, having their reproductive choices limited or non existent, etc etc? I mean that's kind of how it sounds. There are countries in Europe where abortion is illegal. Those white women cannot speak out about their experiences?

I mean come on.

There's nothing much to say to the OP.

MB doesn't brook dissent and apparently blocks trans people who dissent, as well as women who don't toe the MB 'I'll tell women what they can and can't do' line.

My advice to the OP was to find more pleasant trans people to follow.

I mean, seriously, what else is there to say about the kind of person who feels entitled to tell women to shut up about their own reproductive issues at a Woman's March.

Sometimes it's no more complicated than nasty person is nasty, OP being trans didn't protect them, no drama, go and find nicer friends.

As for the anti-feminists again spamming feminist chat with their arguments rooted in denial of sexism's impact of women, much MB's type, I'd have thought, and as such, pointless to engage.

Oh fuck that post of mine was long!

Sorry everyone.

From OP's OP: "Munroe stayed something along the lines of “JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”
I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.
...my post was deleted and I was blocked.

How am I "twisting the narrative" when this thread has gone from murder rates to birds having flying privileges?

'You didn't ask anything constructive about MB's post, you just displayed pettyness and white-fragility and got blocked for it instead of having a POC explain to a white person what racial privilege is'

Erm, no.

OP asked what JKR race had to do with her taking about women's rights.

The reason MB brought racism into it was because it was easier than addressing what JKR actually said about her experiences as a woman.

This thread is so interesting. Just read the whole lot!

Hello op not seen you here before.

You know why mb blocked you. Surely? You questioned what was written rather than applauding.

I'm not on Twitter myself but that would seem clear. Obviously you are not responsible for anyone but yourself so don't feel bad! Like you say in your OP.

Highlights of the thread for me so far:

Someone says transwomen are being murdered lots. Someone else days hold on demographics, country, job etc is the rate out of step. Someone else says women get murdered lots. Someone else says, men get murdered more. So outcome is. Women should proritise murder rate of both transwomen and men above women!

That was a good read.

Next up was the idea that women have privilege over transwomen because we are the sex that gets pregnant and gives birth. Erm...

Interesting how sex is irrelevant until it's to say women have privilege!
There was an odd list about who gets the best deal when it comes to getting pregnant... Which seemed to overlook the massive cost to women and girls globally and through history because of this. Tiny bit of an oversight?

There was a long conversation about oppression Olympics which got very odd.
Most of the women on these boards are interested in structural inequality. The original meaning of intersection of oppression is just true. Some groups in society are privileged over others. Men over women. White over black. Abled over disabled. Rich over poor. The point of this is not to tot up points and put people on a scale. From a feminist perspective. However it's been subverted so that is what happens. In this case MB invokes JR whiteness, non transness and wealth as a reason she should STFU. But it's not about individuals. Or it shouldn't be. And their personal points on a scale. The most oppressed people in the world are not on Twitter. If MB wants to hear from them then MB will need to look to other sources. It's also an English language site predominantly. Around the world other SM is more popular. This never seems to be considered?

I liked the idea that feminity is a privilege. It is a set of behaviours and attire etc that is most definitely socially constructed. It's also a major issue for women and girls the world over. It's oppressive. As masculinity is for many men. Many women in this board find the constraints of femininity unsettling, uncomfortable. That is why they are feminists, some (like me) from before I had a word for it.

And that recent MB article is gobsmscking.

For the avoidance of doubt I am more than happy for MB to talk about
Race
Being trans
Their experiences growing up
Probably more

I am not happy for MB to talk as a woman and tell women what they should and should not do/ talk about. MB is a transwoman. Talk about that. It's a big deal.

I mean this:

'All of our parts of ourselves impact on each. I didn't really think feminism was for me because it wasn't for me. It was mainly focused around the rights of white women and women who could produce babies. I'm obviously neither so it was only really when I figured out that, I could really pick my own identity and figure out a way to cope within a society that really does invalidate every single part of me, on a level.'

No, feminism is not about white women and women who can produce babies. Although the babies part, so readily dismissed as a non issue, is a pretty fucking big deal for women and girls all over the world.
And white women? Did MB think, hmm. There are lots of women in the world who aren't in prominently white countries. What are they up to?
Did MB Google?
Maybe come across the women in South Korea who have been agitating and marching over sexually motivated crimes against women and girls and the lacklustre response from the authorities?
Maybe come across all the activism in India over so many horrific cases of 'honour' killings, rape, murder, acid attacks?
Swing by the fistula foundation and think about why it was set up?
Consider the rights of women in Saudi Arabia?
Investigate the situation with abortion globally, including women and girls being imprisoned for miscarrying?
Maybe look up the situation for women in DRC. South Africa rape stats.

And so on and so on.

Nope. Feminism is for white women. And 'women who can produce babies'.

Produce. Yes feminists globally are very vocal about reproductive choice. Because, well I listed some examples above.

This person has no interest in feminism apart from leveraging it against women.

Sorry that was long. It is a long thread!