James O’Brien

I am not afraid of clematis growers or many other people to be honest. I do still expect sex segregation to not be described perjoritively as prejudice in any circumstances no matter how strongly they feel about flowers.

In similar vein, you will also find that humans who have seen a vicious dog attack are more cautious around dogs than they were formerly.

Ordinary means people who aren't internet trolls.

"I don't want to condemn" means I don't want to develop a prejudice against trans* people in general.

I don't honestly believe you found any of that perplexing.

I'd probably still try to be welcoming as usual because I don't want to condemn ordinary transwomen for the behaviour of tweeters.

Ordinary versus tweeters. That's a perplexing analysis. And what does condemn mean in that context? Are you suggesting that sex segregation should be on the basis of hostility shown on social media?

I've only developed any concerns about it because of the behaviour you describe. If I saw a transwoman in the toilets tomorrow (assuming they were open), I'd probably still try to be welcoming as usual because I don't want to condemn ordinary transwomen for the behaviour of tweeters.

Floisme re jolyan, yes he tweeted something - I think it was to do with all women shortlists in thd Labour party 'we need to talk'? Not certain. But got a big trans activist response on twitter, went the other way. I think that's probably why he blocks so many people who are saying the things which he initially said they should have a right to say. He also gave maya Forstater some advice on her crowd funder before that, and wasn't unsupportive.

Isn't it fascinating to compare JOB and JKR as well.

This enrages me. Even if you don't agree with JK (I do) how can anyone not see the blatant hypocrisy?

If we say anyone who claims to be trans can enter ANYONE CAN ENTER

And the problem is in all of these discussion of how 'trans people are not a threat' the very obviously missing thing is a definition of what a trans person actually is. Andeveryonewho wants access to female spaces thinks it should includethem.

Hence why the female hating prats shout out *Whhhhaat abaaarrrttttt the lesbians in toilets?! They are just as rapey"

"Whattttt abarrrrrrrrt the dykes and blokey women in toilets? Whhhhhaaaa. Be scared of them!"

No dude. They are women.

Obviously no bother.

Might ask them if they know where the directions to such and such place are from this club - or if they could pass a hand towel.

But no. Just no.

Women know. We just do. We live it.

Any porn led movement to destroy boundaries should be talked about in those terms. Is JOB oblivious to the damage extreme porn is doing to young men, is he not at all interested in considering the fact that a sissy porn influence might not be the best way for young men to enter the adult world?

Why does he not talk about this to his male listeners, I'm sure they could educate him.

James O'Brien and Paris Lees have met before:

im glad to see johnathon pie on these tweets- he knows what a woman is.

If we say anyone who claims to be trans can enter ANYONE CAN ENTER

And the problem is in all of these discussion of how 'trans people are not a threat' the very obviously missing thing is a definition of what a trans person actually is. And everyone who wants access to female spaces thinks it should include them.

Isn't it fascinating to compare JOB and JKR as well. She comes out with a series of well thought out tweets stating her concerns and remains strong, dignified and classy in the face of the most horrific physically and sexually violent threats.

He says 'I don't think penises should be in female spaces', gets a bit of pushback on it and shits his pants and comes out with 'oooh I don't know, ooooh I know it's a cop out but it's all I've got'.

Fucking pathetic. Stand up for your daughters for christ sake James.

The question needs to be turned around.

'I hear what you are saying Paris, but how would you keep women safe?'

It's a stupid argument. Because no one is policing toilets. Genital inspection will never happen.

Passing trans women have always used our facilities and non of us know or care. Irrespective of what happens, they will keep using our facilities, and we will still not know or care.

So that ladies "lovely" trans daughter will (assuming she is a traditional transexual) not be affected.

If we say anyone who claims to be trans can enter ANYONE CAN ENTER

As for how he is on Brexit - I know that made a lot of people warm to him and kind of got him popular I think, but (and I did vote remain if it matters), I find him so patronising and condescending on that subject.

As a Remainder I found him intolerable on the subject. So condescending towards people who didn't share his views. I almost wished I wasn't on the same side as him.

Don't feel awkward Blue.

Did Jolyon ever dip a toe in? I don't remember but if he did, yeah I'll have to concede that one

James O'Brian is not in the least confused.

He's who I think of whenever I see that lefty woke guy meme. His treatment of Posie Parker didn't entirely shock me, though he was more vicious than I expected. I've been wary of him since I contacted the show when he was talking about sexual harassment on public transport and he refused to believe I knew the difference between being groped and felt up and down and being accidently bumped into on a busy train. Plus he had met Fox Fisher on a previous show and they'd been really pally so it was never going to go well for Posie. I sound like I listen to LBC too much. I l have been listening for a very long time, and I have a near photographic memory for some things - terrible short term though.

I've noticed he's slightly softened his views over recent years and tried to balance slightly by saying that women have rights (thanks) - but there is no doubt in my mind that his main motivation for the change of heart is that he felt what way the wind was blowing and wants to ensure he is on the right side of it.

If you ever catch the way he speaks to transwomen compared to how he speaks to women, it's just so, so different. Less talking over, more sympathy, more credence to what is said - I'm sure you can guess which way round.

As for how he is on Brexit - I know that made a lot of people warm to him and kind of got him popular I think, but (and I did vote remain if it matters), I find him so patronising and condescending on that subject. He does the same thing to Brexit voters as he does to women on gender issues. Talks over and ridicules. With a side serving of subtle classism imo. I feel like he might be reading this thread which makes me feel awkward.

Floisme you are right, except for when it goes the other way, eg the fox assassin qc who dipped a toe in, got alot of push back, and went full on tra.

JOB was trying to figure things out last night... seems confused.

mobile.twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1279810905107243010

I've learned an interesting lesson as a result of this. Women who face sanction & worse for stating their belief that biological sex is real thought it was about them. It wasn't. But many white supremacists relished the conflation. That's why 'culture war' is such a dodgy term

Just had a squiz and not a single rape/ oral rape/ death threat.

How strange.

Paris Lees and that mum are using emotional blackmail.

And if we say ok, Paris can come in what’s the criteria for saying no?

I have gay males friends who are lovely. They would not harm a woman. Can they come in? My ex is a dick but he wouldn’t hurt a woman. Can he come in? The men I work with are very kind and wouldn’t threaten a woman, can they come in? If not why not?

Why not a third space?

Your trans kid is probably lovely, but you know what? So’s my kid. Why should i prioritise YOUR rights over hers? I don’t see those mums saying “oh of course your little girl matters, I respect your opinion” yet that’s what I’m supposed to do.

That confrontational thing Paris Lees does is so fucking stupid. Don't they realise that people don't answer honestly when they've got someone springing a loaded question right into their face, and everyone else can see that?

Compelled consent, or appeasing consent, or embarrassed consent ISN'T CONSENT.

This is a thread on how he treated a woman caller in 2017 who (it sounds like) said the same as he has said now.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3087218-James-OBrien-what-a-twat?pg=16
Though the link to the radio programme is gone now.

(Sorry can't remember how to do a link on phone).

His attitude to the dad of a trans child who says the words are hurtful, is very different:

"Does the point about communal facilities soften the impact my words had on you? It seems significant to me but I’m more interested in what you think...."