Nicky Clark Interviews Susie Green (Mermaids) - Podcast

I'm surprised to see this, as Nicky Clarke was firmly on the "TWAW and Glinner is an evil bigot" at one time.

yes, I've been taking the tack that I need to listen to people with other opinions of late. Incase it turns out that in fact, "are we the bad guys?"

So far, we're bloody not.

Susie Green is a parent, not an expert. I'm not sure that you could even say that she is an expert parent.

I really recommend all 6 of Nicky's conversations, they're all great. I'm not sure about 30% regretting knee surgery, but SG saying about 25% of girls with gender dysphoria are autistic appears accurate. I now need to look at more information about the Tavistock and Mermaids...always more to learn!

I'm surprised to see this, as Nicky Clarke was firmly on the "TWAW and Glinner is an evil bigot" at one time. So I ignored her podcast. Will have to give it a listen now

Its definitely not always a bad thing. In fact when allowed to relax and talk more in an interview without being so defensive by default as you know you have a tough time ahead, they reveal a lot more. And sometimes that's a revelation in itself

I’ve been enjoying this series of podcasts about gender. NC allows the speak time to talk which allows the listeners to form their own opinions about the subject.
For me, SG talking about poor trans girls in girls spaces was my WTF moment.

I'm surprised to see this, as Nicky Clarke was firmly on the "TWAW and Glinner is an evil bigot" at one time. So I ignored her podcast. Will have to give it a listen now.

gids.nhs.uk/evidence-base

There seems to be a higher prevalence of autistic spectrum conditions (ASC) in clinically referred, gender dysphoric (GD) adolescents than in the general adolescent population. Holt, Skagerberg & Dunsford (2014) found that 13.3% of referrals to the service in 2012 mentioned comorbid ASC (although this is likely to be an underestimate). This compares with 9.4% in the Dutch service; whereas in the Finnish service, 26% of adolescents were diagnosed to be on the autism spectrum (Kaltiala-Heino et al. 2015).

So between 10 and 25% generally. General population 2% is a reasonable estimate. It’s one of the major points of contention.

If it’s 2% of the general population and 20% of kids-who’s-parents-contact-Mermaids then that is surely a holy-fuck-we-need-research moment for Green?

I'm really not comfortable with someone who works with children and whose claims for the percentage of them who're on the spectrum is off by a whole order of magnitude being recommended by both the media and the government as a resource, given that for better or worse she's the face and voice of her organization

I often wonder if it wasn't all about gender, what other organisation would be allowed to stand when they quote debunked stats, weaponise suicide , have no idea on the outcomes of the people they see, make up all the stats about autism and underlying issues , and would speak to very youmg children about intimite details of their bodies online and have links to medical staff who were suspended fir running illegal clinics .

They clearly know they are untouchable because no effort is ever made to at least try and be truthful.

My understanding is that at least 25% of children presenting to the Tavistock are on the ASD spectrum. I think that’s at a minimum, and consistent with clinics around the world.

If otoh she means that 20% of the kids Mermaids works with are on the spectrum then that just reinforces what everyone worried about childhood transition has been saying for years.

I'm really not comfortable with someone who works with children and whose claims for the percentage of them who're on the spectrum is off by a whole order of magnitude being recommended by both the media and the government as a resource, given that for better or worse she's the face and voice of her organization.

Doesn’t that mean about 20% of children with gender identity issues are ASD? That’s consistent with other reports, of it being up around the 25% mark.

or is that 10x more autistic children transition than the number of autistric children in the populkation...

from experience, some autistic children are very suggestable and will say yes to what they think you want.

some on the otherhand....

(sample size: 2)

The ones that wrongly transitioned were just waved off as collateral damage.

The dismissive callousness of TRAs towards these children was an early peaking moment for me.

Around 2% is more likely: www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/just-how-many-autistic-people-are-there-in-the-uk-anyway_uk_5ac7e94ce4b0150d9bfe77c1

The knee thing was amazing.

30% regret? I don't think so - orthopaedic surgery is amazing and solves people's pain and immobility. Is there a 30% infection rate? Not on the wards I work on.

So, I did some googling - and I think she's referring to the USA, where they have higher rates of surgery for all sorts of conditions and for all sorts of reasons.

Yes, if you have early stage arthritis you will get less benefit from a knee replacement than if your quality of life is being destroyed by your arthritic knee. That is why you can't get a knee replacement in the UK unless the joint is totally buggered.

Susie Green is not good at critical thinking.

www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/knee-replacement-surgery-regret.html

SG says TW are at a higher risk of domestic violence that women. That can’t be right, can it?

Whether or not it is true (and there are no stats on trans people if trans can’t be defined), it’s not clear why it is relevant.

No legislation prevents anyone from running a refuge that includes TW.

I managed to fall asleep a few minutes in, but even during the short segment I heard, it struck me anew that the words transboy and transgirl are wholly counterintuitive. When I picture a girl, I picture a person without a penis and testicles. I’m so used to the adult versions now that it no longer tweaks anything in my brain, but this did. Daughter and son too, when the reality is you have the opposite. The mindgames required are astonishing.

Glorious sunlight.

That more people regret knee surgery than regret transitioning, and we wouldn't stop knee surgery so why should we stop transitioning?

We also know where we are with knee surgery. Patients can be fully informed with the probable outcomes.

We have no idea where we are with creating a neo vagina on someone who has not developed enough to do the usual surgery. I doubt knee surgery has the failure and complication rate of a phalloplasty

As always the problem is that LGBT are recorded as one category so re domestic violence for example it’s impossible to tell if T people are more or less at risk than LGB

Looking at the Transwidow threads it seems TW might well categorise a failure by their spouse to validate their feelings or appearance as a woman would be ‘literal violence’ and so when asked if they had experienced DV they’d say yes

SG seemed most incoherent on de-transitioning

She said de-transitioning was only 2% although Mermaids don't keep records or follow up.

That more people regret knee surgery than regret transitioning, and we wouldn't stop knee surgery so why should we stop transitioning?

That some de-transitioners later regret de-transitioning and re-transition again.

That they mainly de-transition because of experiencing transphobia, so societies fault.

The ones that wrongly transitioned were just waved off as collateral damage.

She also said 20% of children were on the Autistic spectrum but she said that they have a right to transition too, just like anybody else. There was no enquiry as to why they are transitioning in such high numbers and an assumption that transition is best for them.

SG says TW are at a higher risk of domestic violence that women. That can’t be right, can it?

I don't doubt that some TW face domestic violence. However I don't see how we could really know the truth of her statement or compare those two groups. One group is protected by hate crime legislation, and people can be banned from twitter or lose their job if they commit the "literal violence" of using a sex based pronoun. The other is socialised to put up and shut up with rape (virtually legal anyway), abuse and coercive control.

SG says TW are at a higher risk of domestic violence that women. That can’t be right, can it?