Hospital Infant Feeding Network - LGBTQI advice

Is there where we pretend they're not doing it out of sexual fetish? Either way, it endangers the health of the baby. It's unethical.

This is a perfect example of what happens when it's assumed that trans people's needs must be put first at all times. Do we even know what's in the fluid produced as a result of this process, and what the impact is on the infant? Do we know if any other meds the person is taking may be transmitted to the infant via the lactation process? Given how many things breastfeeding women are generally told to avoid I really can't see how being on a cocktail of transition related medications is compatible with safe breastfeeding.

When post natal wards are so understaffed that women press the buzzer in the night and no one comes to help them feed their baby, (you know, with their uniquely adapted colostrum for their own baby) and new mothers are often discharged from hospital rapidly and not confident in their milk supply or latch, I just can’t see how faffing about trying to produce artificial lactation in another person is the best use of time or resources, when there’s no clear benefit for the baby at all.

My thoughts exactly. Once again natal women are sidelined in favour of what is woke.

For women who breastfeed your essentially re-educating the purpose of your breasts when Nearly every comment or interaction and media portrayal before that will have been sexualised. Most definitely in cultures like the UK of where breastfeeding past 6 months is practically extinct so you don’t have children who view or remember it.

Really agree with this. I experienced a very intense hormone rush when breastfeeding which made me feel totally in love with my baby and that I'd do ANYTHING to protect them, I'd say the overriding feeling was of a very strong protective love. (to the extent that I'd agonise over taking a paracetamol before I breastfed so concerned was I about my baby's wellbeing).

Ever since I breastfed my children, I've stopped viewing breasts as in any way sexual.

It would be interesting to know what the majority view was among women who have breastfed.

But when did men stop having breasts (of greater or lesser size) and nipples? Yet again, I don't understand neurotic reactions to perfectly ordinary language.

I think, at least I hope, that they are talking about situations where the "non-birthing" partner is also female, and the medication that would be used to cause her to produce milk.

My breasts became entirely non-sexual for me while I was breastfeeding - I didn't want them touched at all during sex. I've heard more than one woman say similar on here, so I presume that's at least as likely as the opposite.

I won't be referring to breastfeeding as "chest feeding"

@ToesAndFingersCrossed I was going to say that its stronger for me around ovulation - it helps when my 16 month old whacks me in the face with her leg or pulls my hair.

I’m sat here breastfeeding my 20 month old trying not to cry it’s driving me so crazy (I’m ovulating, I always have aversion for 3 days around ovulation). The thought of it being sexual makes me feel sick.

I’d actually really like to look into the composition of the milk produced by men if lactation is induced vs women. No idea how I’d phrase that funding application so as not to piss off the LGBT lobby though...

I didn’t breast feed for long as I found it too painful, but I do remember getting sexual type feelings

But I recognised it as a flood of hormones which caused it, not the fact I was actually turned on.

I get a massive rush from my letdown when breastfeeding and I can imagine how your body/mind can interpret that as sexual feeling - more so with a first baby.

For women who breastfeed your essentially re-educating the purpose of your breasts when Nearly every comment or interaction and media portrayal before that will have been sexualised. Most definitely in cultures like the UK of where breastfeeding past 6 months is practically extinct so you don’t have children who view or remember it.

However I can’t understand how a trans women would get that hormone rush so yes in that sense it’s a dubious statement.

zero understanding of breastfeeding aren't in the least bit helpful to women

I did breastfeed, it wasnt pleasant, I can categorically state there was no arousal for me. Therefore I would think a transwoman saying such things is disgusting. In fact I still think it's a disgusting thing for a transwoman to say. I also think about the baby in this situation, and I dont think this experiment will end well for the baby.

Sexual arousal when breastfeeding is indeed a thing for some women, but it's not a thing that womencelebrate

Not a thing that women celebrate; if anything more likely to worry/ not mention at all / feel guilty and according to the research, give up bf.Blanket statements such as that is disgusting/ I cannot imagine that/ happening/ zero understanding of breastfeeding aren't in the least bit helpful to women.

Gosh, didn’t know that! I remember the oxytocin buzz that made you kind of besotted with your baby (Once you got past the toe curling and after pains of the early weeks) and feeling like a passenger in a body that seemed to be doing its own thing... but I’d never have described it as sexual. I suppose it makes sense though when you remember the various different functions of those hormones.

I guess the difference is feeling uncomfortable about the unintended side effect of a naturally occurring hormone surge vs consciously seeking sexual pleasure in something non-sexual and getting excited about the idea

Sexual arousal when breastfeeding is indeed a thing for some women, but it's not a thing that women celebrate. Much more likely to worry about whether it's weird or 'normal' or 'okay'.

Anyone who equates breastfeeding with sexual pleasure has zero understanding what breastfeeding is all about and what it actually feels like

Don't assume your experience is universal.

www.liveabout.com/arousal-orgasm-and-breastfeeding-2982417

In one study of people who were breastfeeding, 40.5% of the participants reported feeling sexually aroused at some point during infant suckling. 16.7% reported being aroused frequently during breastfeeding. In another paper that reviewed several studies between 33-50% of respondents described breastfeeding as erotic (25% of those responded that way said they felt guilty about it)

Sheffield University did research on this and reported 30% admitting to being sexually aroused by bf.

What a disgustingly disturbing statement! Breastfeeding, for me, was more painful than childbirth

Sexual arousal during breastfeeding is very much a thing. Here's one article but there are loads of similar articles saying similar.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3431754/

I can't see any benefit to the baby of chemically-induced, inadequate lactation in males. Fathers have the perfectly adequate options of FF or bottle feeding EBM.

Great to hear that there is pushback in lentil weaving circles Neurotrash.

“I also read one transwoman’s account and the comment was something like ‘no women talk about the sexual pleasure you get from a baby suckling your nipple”

What a disgustingly disturbing statement! Breastfeeding, for me, was more painful than childbirth. Even if it wasn’t that painful, I simply cannot imagine experiencing any sexual pleasure while breastfeeding my daughter. Anyone who equates breastfeeding with sexual pleasure has zero understanding what breastfeeding is all about and what it actually feels like🙄

It's laughable really that formula ( safely used for billions of babies) is viewed with such contempt by them but they are happy to advocate large doses of hormones to produce milk in a parent other than the mother.

This. I'm a huge breastfeeding advocate, but this is ridiculous. Women are constantly told (wrongly) that they need to stop breastfeeding if they take a short course of certain types of antibiotics FFS.

Also, I also read one transwoman’s account and the comment was something like ‘no women talk about the sexual pleasure you get from a baby suckling your nipple. Disgusting. I mean, how much more clear does it need to be: harming a baby to facilitate a sexual fetish. Poor, poor baby. I hope it's not true.

I also read one transwoman’s account and the comment was something like ‘no women talk about the sexual pleasure you get from a baby suckling your nipple

Oh dear God this is revolting. And a huge red flag. No child would be safe in this person's house.

What worries me is the false hope this provides for young trans men and women - “Don’t worry, even if you transition medically it won’t affect your ability to have children, and more than that, as a trans man or woman you can still take the role of your chosen gender!”

It's worth watching the second episode of Leo on bbc. Leo is filmed having to go through all this and deciding to have eggs frozen etc. It's clearly very traumatic.