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Creasy - making police record misogny

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transdimensional · 05/07/2020 18:45

The Guardian has reported ( www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/05/labour-mayors-back-plan-to-make-police-record-misogyny-as-hate ):

"Labour’s metro mayors have united behind a parliamentary proposal from Stella Creasy to force the police to start recording misogyny as a hate crime.
...The Creasy amendment would not make misogyny a hate crime, but would oblige forces to record crimes where misogyny was a factor.
...“What the police have said, literally, is, ‘If we recorded it, we will have to do something about it.’ And you think, yes, that’s absolutely the point,” said Creasy."

So a modest step but definitely worth while.

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SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 05/07/2020 20:03

Hate crimes should only be actual crimes committed due to the victims protected status.
Eg. A man punching another random man who happens to be gay. Crime.

Man punches a man he knows to be gay whilst using homophobic language. Hate crime.

None of the 3rd person being offended by something someone else read online or hurt feelings nonsense.

This seems about right.

We all know it won't happen though, the sheer scale of misogyny would make it unenforceable.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 05/07/2020 19:53

Hm. I'm opposed to the whole principle of 'hate crime'.

But yes, as it stands, having 'misogyny' excluded from the category means women are in a uniquely disadvantaged position.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/07/2020 19:46

Hate crimes should only be actual crimes committed due to the victims protected status.
Eg. A man punching another random man who happens to be gay. Crime.

Man punches a man he knows to be gay whilst using homophobic language. Hate crime.

Non of the 3rd person being offended by something someone else read online or hurt feelings nonsense.

highame · 05/07/2020 19:25

donquixote - sorry, I should have said hate speech, definitely didn't mean hate crime.

donquixotedelamancha · 05/07/2020 19:02

I would rather see the hate crime stuff looked at in its entirety. I feel as though one more hate crime category would push us even further down the route of 'no free speech'.

This.

The hate crime enhancement to sentences where a victim is vulnerable is reasonable (e.g. disabled person who is targeted because they are disabled).

The lowering of the criteria for whether something is a crime when it effects someone of a protected category is a terrible idea which is in part responsible for the institutional capture of some police forces.

JanewaysBun · 05/07/2020 18:57

It totally needs to be a hate crime.
However... the entire world is full of so much misogyny the police wouldn't be able to even address half of the complaints....

madwoman1ntheattic · 05/07/2020 18:55

Huh. Can JKR record each of the ‘cunt’ tweets as separate hate incidents? That’ll shore up the statistics nicely.
Creasy is still in my bad books for her view of women and girls as collateral damage in the fight for trans rights though.

highame · 05/07/2020 18:55

I would rather see the hate crime stuff looked at in its entirety. I feel as though one more hate crime category would push us even further down the route of 'no free speech'. However, if we have to have the rest, we for sure need this one. Saw Stella speaking in parliament with her young baby. Lovely it was

Coyoacan · 05/07/2020 18:50

Sounds good. I'm not certain how I feel about this whole hate crime problem, but if they are going to record and/or prosecute on that basis, there is a lot of misogynist crime around.

Thesuzle · 05/07/2020 18:47

Good, but it should be and we still all should push for it to be a hate crime

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