When a crime is committed by a trans woman...

In relation to the Dorset one for example, the question could have been

How many women have been arrested/charged with rape etc

Or

How many males who call themselves women have been arrested/charged.....? also,
how many females have been arrested/charged.....rape....?

Same also for sexual assault.

As Cwenthryth says:

Be sure to ask for the difference between those who could only be convicted for rape on joint enterprise (because they are female) and those convicted because they are recorded as "women".

When Maria Maclachlan was in court she was made to call the defendant Tara Wolf "she" by the judge after they assaulted her at speakers corner.
This shows that the victims are made by law to play along with their attackers self-identity.

It is quite easy to put in a FOI request via this website. It's important to get the wording right as forces do try to obfuscate, but I am sure there are people on here who can help.

www.whatdotheyknow.com

Someone asked Dorset police and this was the answer:

MsMarvellous
A good idea but you'd have to approach every police force.
Last time I looked the Office of national Statistics and the Ministry of Justice produced statistics on sex offending from 2018.
I cannot imagine why they haven't been updated for 2019 yes I can
But I know that they will be inaccurate and misleading about crime when broken down by sex. Because all police forces allow adults to self identify as whatever sex they choose - no matter how appalling their crimes are. To add insult to injury, the Ministry of Justice then consults trans groups about which women's prisons these sex offenders / murderers etc should be placed in! I'm never sure why trans groups have been given such power over placements of rapists etc. I suspect if they consulted women's groups concerned about the welfare of vulnerable women in prisons there's be a very different outcome.
It's an unacceptable mess and the losers (as always) are vulnerable women in prison.

You’d need to specifically separate out joint enterprise convictions also or the answer will include women assisting/enabling men to rape.

Presumably child victims, not just adult women, would also be told to refer to their TW attacker as "she" ?
Great way to further screw up victims of violence

and we get the ridiculous situation of women victims having to refer to their attacker as "she"

Following as I'd love to write as well.

TRAs keep claiming there are only a few studies showing that TWs offend at the same rate as other men
..... which is because for years now they haven't allowed statistics for TWs to be recorded separately !

And in Scotland I think. Any Scottish posters please correct me if I'm wrong!

Therefore - any record of a woman being convicted of rape in E&W, other than by joint enterprise, must be a transwoman logically.

Yes.

In trans ideology the following sentences are apparently true:

women can have penises
men can have vaginas
men can give birth
women can produce semen.

It seems words no longer have meaning. And I make a distinction between trans ideology and trans rights/trans people wanting to live their life openly.

I think there’s something in a press code of conduct/media guidelines that states they cannot mention someone’s trans status unless it is the subject of the story. Hence a lot of articles using the word ‘woman’ etc but printing photos showing a clearly male face etc to get around it.

Bonkers seeing as the same media will continuously randomly refer to women as “mother of X” when their parental/reproductive status is of no consequence to the story, but there you go.

The system is crazy and based on that information dangerous.

I can’t help but think that in cases which are time sensitive such as abduction that there is such a heavy reliance on good information early on. The issue of self declaring genders clouds the quality of information and could make a huge difference to the outcome of an investigation.

Secret yes they describe a suspect according to their self declared gender. If I remember correctly there was a non transitioned trans woman (ie physically indistinguishable from every other man) who committed a crime and they put out a description for them which described them as a tall woman who may be dressed as a man (or something similar to that). There was also a case more recently where a man dressed in women's clothing attacked another man at a train station and they refused to describe him accurately at first in case it offended the trans community. The whole system is bat shit crazy and broken from top to bottom.

Cwenthryth
Yes, I realised after I posted one definition is rape and the other is sexual assault by penetration.

@FemaleAndLearning your screenshots support the opposite of that - rape is only with a penis, with an object it is a different offence (sexual assault by penetration), in English & Welsh law anyway, in other countries the definitions are broader.

Therefore - any record of a woman being convicted of rape in E&W, other than by joint enterprise, must be a transwoman logically.

I’m sure that recorded rates of all sexual assault by women have increased in recent years, btw, don’t have the links to hand but I have read that.

'Women can be convicted for rape, under "joint enterprise". Presumably this is exceedingly rare."

It will be relatively common in the context of female sexual offenders, because from what I've seen a lot of the (small minority) of female sexual offences involve women helping their boyfriends rape children.

For example this case

www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/rutland-street-child-rapist-rebecca-3975897

Where a man rapes a baby/child with his girlfriend's help then she will be convicted of rape as an 'aider and abettor', which is the same as an offence. (you are convicted of rape, not 'aiding rape')

There are other examples e.g. this grooming gang had 17 men and 1 woman

www.asianimage.co.uk/news/15463736.17-men-and-one-woman-convicted-of-rape-charges-supplying-drugs-and-inciting-prostitution/

Here's an example where a woman conspired to have a man rape her 7 year old daughter after meeting on a dating site

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/23/woman-jailed-plot-paedophile-stuart-bailey-rape-daughter-wales

This woman was part of a paedophile gang and again convicted of rape

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/28/norwich-paedophile-ring-marie-black-jailed-life

I'm not really sure about the numbers, and it depends when people transition, but it would make sense that some of the 'women' being convicted of rape are transgender in that women being convicted of rape are rare while people with penises being convicted of rape is common, but on the other hand, such cases tended to be reported in the Daily Mail etc. because 'transwoman convicted of rape' does get more news clicks than 'woman convicted of rape after helping boyfriend'

Rape can also be with an object. Still think the number of women doing this would be near to nil.

I'm relatively new to this subject having only taken more of an interest since a post was made regarding the diversity packs and Asda. I'm learning more each day from the various links and websites provided within this forum.

However, the more I have read the more confused I am about the ability of the police to investigate and the CPS to prosecute crimes.

Would anyone be able to confirm whether a witness description of a suspect which states the biological sex rather than that identified means that there would be no case to answer? For example a crime with only one eye witness, witness states suspect is male based on physical appearance, 6ft with a particularly identifiable tattoo on their hand. Said suspect identifies as a woman and would therefore not fit the witness description. What would happen in this scenario?