Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.

Thanks Divoc2020 that is a shocking, but,true list.

My DH sometimes goes for a walk at night in our small, rural, town in Ireland. He was amazed when I said I would never do that.

My DH once queried that fear with me. I asked him to remember the feelings he had in South Africa when he realised he had taken a wrong turn and was walking down a back street, alone, at dusk, carrying some obviously heavy luggage.

He has never queried that fear again!

But he was shocked that it took such an unusual circumstance for him to realise how much fear women can feel, in broad daylight, in their home town, each and every day!

My (now) DH was staggered when we met that I lock my car doors when I go to pay for petrol. It had never occurred to him that someone might try and get in the car when you're not looking.

@Pepper70 - yes, this is pretty much my experience and feeling too.

I think most men (and therefore also TW) just have NO IDEA or understanding about what it is like to grow up female and feeling the need to be constantly vigilant about the risk of sex-based attacks.

I was thinking about this the other day when I was clearing out a box and found my old rape alarm - a small unit, about the size of Yorkie bar - which was designed to be carried in the hand and emitted a high-pitched screech if activated. I was given this many years ago when I was working as a sales rep for a company. It was 'standard issue' to all female employees e.g. business cards, company car, rape alarm. How shit is that?

My eyes were further opened as a result of only having sons (not daughters) and realising the freedom they naturally assumed as older teens to walk home alone, take cabs alone, go running alone in secluded places etc.

In fact, this list I saw recently about the things women do to protect themselves pretty much summed it up. thestir.cafemom.com/healthy_living/215107/things-women-do-to-protect-themselves

Pepper, I think what you're describing is the legally permitted way to have mixed sex facilities, and I kind of accept them (wiping the seat before use is one of the least pleasant results) but the way theatres and shopping centres have been doing it is to slap a gender neutral sign on the ladies and call it a day. Those organisations are actually breaking the law, AFAIK.

I should add, that in theory I don't have a problem with gender neutral toilets, if they had wash hands basin inside the cubicle and if they are situated off corridors on open space. Lots of offices in central London are like this - big long corridor, open at either end, with a bank of toilets down one side, all self contained. I really don't have a problem with that. It's the cubicles then then lead in to the hand washing area with another door somewhere that goes back out to communal areas that gives me concern.

@Pepper70 agree 100%.

Have a look at the 'it will never happen' resource thread.

Case after case illustrating why we are wary because of evidenced instances where trans women and men pretending to be trans women have abused women and children.

Wary does not equal hatred or phobia. It's about self preservation and protecting the vulnerable.

I agree with you, Pepper.
If you were to say such things on Twitter you would be labelled as a bigot...

Not sure if I speak for most women, so please correct me if I am wrong, but in all my 50 years I have always been mindful of where I walk and go, and at what time of the day/night etc. And trust me, I have travelled the world, sometimes solo, so I am not an overly nervous person! But I have always been mindful of who might be around, should I go the short cut way or the long way– all because, as a woman, sexual violence from people with penises is a threat (obvs not all penises, but its hard to know the good from the bad sometimes). If you are a man, I think it must be really hard to understand how that feels and how, as women, it is with us at our very core. Statistically, there is much more violence against women over the world, compared to violence against transwomen. The point of this is, if I am in a toilet cubicle, and people with penises are able to come into that space, I will feel scared, I might be safe in the cubicle, but when I come out, I don’t know what will happen. Of course, that is not saying I think transwoman are going to rape me (or that I think every man would), but I know that people with penises might, and if anyone can self ID I cannot be sure that some men will not take advantage of this (I have also been lead to believe that 80% of transwomen keep their male genitalia - is this correct). I really feel for transwomen, I have meet some and have had nothing but pleasant experiences, and I am sure that I have shared toilets with them over the years. I think it’s the very real male aggression that seems to permeate the TRA’s that has really made me feel more strongly about this now. Also, I will never think that transwomen in female sport is OK.

Twitter is a hot bed of misogyny.
The abuse a woman gets for not toeing the trans-line is disgusting (see images of the abuse JKR got, for instance) whereas someone like Monroe Bergorf can tweet about 'hairy lesbians' and he will be asked to lead the Woman's March.
This is something seriously wrong in society at the moment and women and girls are going to suffer.
The most worrying part is that women who are usually fairly liberal, live and let live, are allowing this to happy.
See FairPlayforWomen and support them. Support the LGB alliance (NOT trans,).

Wrong thread, don't know how that happened!

The thing with being a lib fem is that you don't have you confront your own misogyny. It's quite difficult to critically examine your own beliefs.

So why is no-one on twitter calling Eton, Freemasons etc transphobic?

Funny that. You’d think it was only MtF that matter..

Interesting.
the WI will accept MTF transpersons and wished them a happy Pride. When Graham Linehan pointed out that there were still actually male, he got banned from Twitter.
Guides will accept mtf children in their organisation and will allow them to go on camp with girls, without telling the parents of the other children that there is a biological boy sharing a tent with teen-age girls. Any guide leaders who think this is wrong have to resign or get dismissed.
Interesting that all transgender issues seem to end up being worse for females, isn't it?

It's the same as primogeniture (male inheritance only). A female who identifies as a male cannot inherit under those laws. They don't recognise the female as male.

Neither do the Freemasons. They only allow biological males to join, not female to males. Funnily enough, if a male is already a member and transitions to female, they are allowed to stay.

Jobs for the boys, eh?

they appear to allow pupils who joined as a boy to remain after becoming a transgirl

I know this is the policy at my old all-girls' school. They are clear that they are single sex, not single gender.

How do they define male? Because there will be parents of female to male trans children who feel that their child is male.

I don't know what their policy is, but presumably the legal definition.

SW has gained a lot of power talking quietly and sold women down the river.

Steven Whittle isn’t ‘vocal’ per se. SW believes the best way to remove rights from women is very very quietly and very very carefully so that no one notices until it’s a done deal. So... I dunno. There’s no shouting. But a closed doors negotiation and deal doesn’t require shouting.

Eton college accepts male children only, their admissions policy is very clear.