Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.

Maybe loos don’t concern you but but hospital wards, prisons, refuges, sex segregated sports are all huge issues.

There have been numerous threads like yours asking GC women to defend their positions and they have, in clear, polite and evidence based ways. Maybe look back at one of those?

We need a like button on here.

@Winniefred - awesome post.

.... the difference between Transwomen & Men is zero when it comes to Male pattern violence and abuse.

I like the cut of winniefred's jib.

If the post is deleted then it's a fucking outrage.

Well said, Winniefred. 👍🏾

the random and amateurish armchair psychological diagnoses and assessments about individuals on YouTube – while undoubtedly cathartic to express – are an embarrassment and an affront to any notion of what genuine social activism is.

I am only just beginning Irreversible Damage and it was absolutely no surprise that these ‘influencers’ are part of the massive upswing in girls identifying out of being a woman. And I already knew this from both personal observation, being professionally very active in social media, and seeing it in action with my daughter’s friends.

I think that people reading will appreciate any insight into this group of people who build their entire lives on making this their business. whereas I could not handle to disconnect between the glamorized and highly curated content I was posting for myself and others and reality, many people still don’t realize that even with the best intentions, authenticity becomes performance over time.

So, please DO keep discussing these people who seek to ‘influence’ without consideration of just how negligent they are and how complicit they are in shaping young impressionable minds that if left unexposed would follow a different path.

Pfft, I just scroll past all the me-me-me-ing, trying to guess how many paragraphs of waffling this time

Well that last one was me me me macbook pro me me You’re embarrassing

Sooooo....

Despite Stonewall admitting that they can't get everyone to convert it seems the already converted politicians are not going to recognise this and are going to carry on preaching oblivious to this volte face.

🤣🤣

Glitter - the devils dust.

I don’t give a glitter-rolled shit about them.

That's a messy job; have you washed your hands?

we don’t have to convert everybody to our way of understanding gender,” Nancy Kelley said

Convert. Interesting choice of words.

Although the new chief exec is making conciliatory noises, my distrust is too great. I believe that even if Stonewall rolls back I will still feel they are just playing a waiting game until the smoke clears and then will be back to stealth and misinterpretation of the law.

I don't think anything has been said about misrepresentation, that's a court case in the wings

I am guessing the reason that Stonewall has lost money the past three years is that the changes the leadership made were not viewed as inclusive by the Lesbian, Gay, & Bisexual donors they no longer appear to represent.

“For Stonewall to succeed, it doesn’t have to make people believe as it believes. What it has to do is make people support changes that make trans lives easier.”

Well, I for one cannot wait for them to start telling people that one of the changes is that they no longer believe in homosexuality.

Those walls of text are just so boring.

Even Stonewall have been forced to concede that the elaborate, rickety self refererential construction of gender identity belief can't be forced on people. A lot of it is quite laughable and worse, from the perspective of parents here, dangerous.

The new chief executive of Stonewall has sought to defuse the increasingly toxic row over transgender rights, telling the Observer that her organisation would no longer seek to persuade its critics to accept its views on gender.

“I’m really focused on the idea that we don’t have to convert everybody to our way of understanding gender,” Nancy Kelley said in her first interview since taking up the position as head of the UK’s leading gay rights charity.

“For Stonewall to succeed, it doesn’t have to make people believe as it believes. What it has to do is make people support changes that make trans lives easier.”

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/27/stonewall-new-boss-gender-transgender-rights-nancy-kelley

By all means make lives easier Nancy, but that's not what Stonewall has started and you are completely unable to recover your innocence from the conversion therapy you have rammed down everyone's throats.

As any good second-waver will tell you, the personal is the political.

Sure, but you are deploying ] that phrase arse backwards. Feminists took the personal (division of labour in the home, for example) and made who does the housework/childcare/work beyond the home a societal discussion, not something that was simply decided between two individuals, a husband and wife.
Here, we are talking about the big picture regards transactivism attempting to erase biological sex from law, and thus homosexuality from legal protection, and you’ve come along and gone ‘Well I’mnot doing that’

I chose to use the word ‘ideology’ because there are plenty of trans people that don’t want to remove biological sex from law, but nonetheless there is an activist push to do so - those activists are attempting to push their beliefs (that ‘gender’ is more important than ‘sex’) on the rest of society, so what is that if not an ideology?

It’s a ‘Queer Theory‘ Frankenstein’s monster that escaped the university and ran amok amongst various public institutions - but I don’t really care much what we call it - as long as the law can’t compel me to call it anything I know not to be true.

On a closing note, the random and amateurish armchair psychological diagnoses and assessments about individuals on YouTube – while undoubtedly cathartic to express – are an embarrassment and an affront to any notion of what genuine social activism is.

U OK HUN? 🙊🙄😂

I do love it when we women get told off with overly verbose pomposity

You have more commitment than me. I didn't get beyond paragraph three.

I'll say one thing for most of the women on here, at least they can lay claim to a modicum of communication skill.

They do like to play a long game. I think they have a competition about who can get the thread to go on for the longest. I think they spend all day or days planning and putting stuff together. They play in packs is my guess. Things always start the same.

*Dreeple

I have no hatred for “trans people

I don’t give a glitter-rolled shit about them* I think this is succinct😁

I do love it when we women get told off with overly verbose pomposity. Luckily for us it's a longstanding occurrence on the feminism board!

Well that's us told.

Yada yada, what's in anyone's pants, you're all indulging in cruelty, I want a passport. Your all an embarrassment, sign off with a hip down with the kids cringe.

I take any assessments of my negative views about the YouTubers who influenced my mentally unwell daughter with the same contempt with which they are offered to me.