Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.

my impression of trans people are those who don't identify with the gender of their body and go through procedures (whether it be the full blown transition or taking medication) to make them identify more with the gender they feel they are

bodies don't have a gender.

why do you think people feel themselves better suited to be members of the opposite sex? do you think it is because of the clothes they like to wear and the way they like to behave?

does that not see a bit um.......sexist to you?

What about communal changing rooms where there are no private cubicles (eg gyms, some swimming pools)?

Can you understand why some women might feel uncomfortable changing in front of people who have male genitalia?

women have periods and whatever, this isn't true though is it?

Yes, it is true. "Only women have periods" is not the same statement as "all women have periods". Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

If you are trying to understand as you say, then you need to do some reading, and some listening, rather than giving your opinions to people who have heard them many times before. Some of the posters on here have transgender people in their lives (me included) and understand the situation very well actually. Saying twaw and tmam doesn't make it so, many transgender don't believe this either btw, and putting up pictures of people who can pass as their desired gender doesn't change anything, however much you want it to.

Nobody hates trans people here. There is a natural concern about the erosion of women’s safe spaces leaving women and children exposed to GRAs.

Give an example of the hate on here. Without evidence of that, it would seem that you are the bigot.

It's not only about toilets. There are many significant issues beyond that. Even if it were only about toilets, why should some people welcoming male people into women's toilets mean that those don't want this have to lose their rights?

"only women have periods" is not disproved by "Some biological women aren't able to have periods". Stop for a while and think about your failure in basic language comprehension. It might help you in the future.

Do you have any thoughts about putting children who are not yet in their teens on a medical pathway that will often lead to them being sterilised and without sexual function?

I'm just waiting for our resident quisling to arrive and tell us off for nor bowing a scraping correctly.

I'll be in the corner with my pom bear 🐻

I don't understand how I'm dismissing women's rights,

The right for women prisoners to not be incarcerated with a convicted rapist as part of their sentence?

The right to a same sex person doing your smear test or breast scan?

The right to a same sex person giving you a body search?

The right to compete in female only sport?

The right to defining homosexuality as it is in law? And not recreate the definition to mean heterosexuality?

The right to gather without the presence of a man?

I could go on. How long have you got?

"imagine ... being attacked and hated for who you are"

My trans friend doesn't get attacked and hated?
I have been whistled at, groped and harried since the age of 14.

It's not feminists who lack imagination.

The only thing we'd share is the sinks and I don't see a problem with that really. I did read a post about a abuse survivor not wanting to the share the bathroom with someone with a penis (I'm really sorry that the person went through the abuse but that isn't trans people's fault, the fault is with the abuser alone)

Why bother separating toilets into male and female at all then? Let men into women’s toilets, since it’s the individual abusers fault and women shouldn’t worry.

Or is it just trans women who need to feel safe?

this forum needs to consider what transgender people actually go through.

Not sure why you think we haven’t. Traumatic experiences and mental illness are wholly irrelevant to which sex you are. If a gay man has been bullied relentlessly in male spaces, would you advocate for him to use women’s spaces too?

Also those currently claiming this trauma include cross-dressing men and transvestites. There was little objection from women when transsexual males were using our spaces, so then more and more men decided to jump on that bandwagon. At what point do women get to say “stop”? Or is that for men to decide?

OP I suggest you try looking at all the issues you’ve raised through the eyes of the most vulnerable woman you can imagine, try going into the world and speaking to some people who have not had privileged lives and the ask yourself why you’re so keen to give other people’s rights away just because you personally have no problem with it.

Have you thought about sport OP? Should Usain Bolt be able to self identify as a woman and compete in the women's 100m? Is that fair to women?

only women have periods and whatever, this isn't true though is it? Some biological women aren't able to have periods or carry a pregnancy or be able to give birth so if we don't see that as a problem as we recognise it's a biological issue then why is trans-men having a period a problem and trans women not having one an issue?
Yes it is true. "Only women have periods" is not the same as "not all women have periods"

I genuinely think this forum needs to consider what transgender people actually go through, imagine not feeling like you're in the right body, being attacked and hated for who you are Trans people have my sympathy. It can't be easy for them. But it's not hard for most women to imagine how it feels to be attacked because of who they are. Rape statistics speak for themselves. I'm a CSA survivor. My brother was never abused. Not hard to work out why.

First sentence "I am genuinely interested in the reasons why transgender people get so much hate on here"

Show me the hate?

Discussing female rights on a feminist forum is not hate.

As for considering what transgender people go through. Consider what I went through at the hands of someone blatantly suffering from a serious dissociative identity disorder, because he calls it a female personality and hides under the trans umbrella.

And If he should be treated as a female for displaying the exact same symptoms as me, then should my other personality be treated as a 14 year old? The age it was split at and remains stunted at? Surely you agree that if identity is valid then if I commit a crime I should be treated as a minor.

Trans people post on here, OP, and the parents of trans children, and the children of trans parents. We talk all the time to trans people and to people who have trans people in their lives.

There are, for example, at least three or 4000 posts devoted to the wives of transwomen.

It doesn't get nearer to the coalface than that.

We want the law, as it stands, to be upheld.

Unless, of course, you think that women's current right, in law, to sex segregation should be withdrawn?

Sharing a bathroom?

At a b and b or something? Well it happens. If a person was in the bath you might get an eyeful!

Or do you mean toilets?

Tell us what you think about prisons and sports pls.

They need to consider the fact that ingrained male privilege is making them not only (1) aggressively erode women’s hard-won rights but also (2) attempt to redefine the category of ‘woman’.

What would you suggest trans people need to consider? (Genuine question I'm learning)

why do you think the way a person dresses or wants to behave makes them a man or a woman?

I dont hate transgender people and for the most part I'm not even bothered about sharing a bathroom with them.

It's people like my ex I have an issue with considering he told me "the best thing about the GRA is that you'll have no where I cant access".

The current measures that keep that kind of psychopath away from women are being labelled as gate keeping and discriminatory.

Not to mention that a lot of this treating trans women as the same as a woman is damaging to them because TW and womens lived experiences are not the same. Women live things no TW ever will. TW have usually lived through experiences a woman will process differently due to societal constructs. And yes those constructs should be changed but dealing with the result of them here and now, treating these people as if they were born female is simply not the way forward.

I have an identity disorder myself. And my opinion is that SOME trans people like my ex are suffering the same. They also behave the same as I would if I were encouraged to dissociate and live in that constant mindset as my "other".

'I've been in we don't show each other our genitalia.'

I've heard in some gentlemen's facilities this is a major theme